901. - David Cho

Speaker A: All right, uh, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it 3 times a week. Jason, does that sound familiar to you? Speaker B: We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place.

Speaker A: All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcasts or watch on YouTube. Hello and gone. Uh, it's Chris Black. I'm sitting under a beautiful skylight at Jason Stewart's home. Speaker B: We're in the— Speaker A: we're in a rare dining room recording session today. Speaker B: We record in the dining room thanks to our friends at Magna. Speaker A: Thanks to our friends at Magna. Um, it's a beautiful day in LA. I'm barefoot. Um, and we, we're joined by friend of the program, longtime friend of the program, fan favorite, uh, David Cho.

Is it— make some noise, make some noise for David Cho. Speaker C: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Speaker B: You look at David Cho on the How Long Gone charts over on on Spotify. Other than Lorde, nobody's really putting up numbers like Joe is. Speaker C: Silent but deadly. That's how I want to stay, bro. Speaker C: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Speaker B: You look at David Cho on the How Long Gone charts over on on Spotify. Other than Lorde, nobody's really putting up numbers like Joe is.

Speaker C: Silent but deadly. That's how I want to stay, bro. Speaker B: How do you do it? I mean, that's a good way to jump off because your follower count on social media is really low, right? Speaker C: Nevertheless, you know, I've invested in real things, real pursuits rather than my social media. Speaker B: I thought you were going to say you've invested in bots in Thailand. Speaker A: He's more of a community guy. He's focused on building community IRL. Speaker B: So what I tell people, he's like a run club.

Speaker C: Yeah, I'm a human run club. That's what people always compare me to. Speaker B: What I tell people is that even though Cho is so— his followers are so low, he— because you're so close to us and we talk all the time and we're friends in real life, people want to hear somebody who feels comfortable speaking to us on a peer level. Speaker C: So you're saying it has nothing to do with me? I have no value besides my adjacency to you? Speaker A: I did not say that.

Jason said that. Speaker C: I did notice Jason said that. Speaker A: I didn't say that. Speaker B: I'm saying— Speaker C: I'm marking that. Down. Speaker B: You're so close to us that people— it's just like, um, when Cousin Sal goes on Bill Simmons. Speaker C: Thank you for putting in terms I can understand. Speaker B: Who cares about Cousin Sal? He's going to talk about the spread on the 49ers versus the Steelers or whatever, just some fat guy. But they're like, they're old bros, I want to see him politicking, I want to see him, you know.

Speaker A: Hold on, you're telling me— are you telling me there's a guy named Sal that's fat? Speaker C: Hey, his cousin's Jimmy Kimmel. He started with a bigger adjacency. He's Cousin Sal because he's Jimmy's cousin. Speaker A: Hold on, you're telling me— are you telling me there's a guy named Sal that's fat? Speaker C: Hey, his cousin's Jimmy Kimmel. He started with a bigger adjacency. He's Cousin Sal because he's Jimmy's cousin. Speaker B: I, I have no idea what you guys are talking about, but they would, they would record a podcast just we're doing Accepted via like during a football game.

Speaker C: Yeah, it'll be brought to you by Studio City and it's distributed by Amazon. Speaker A: That's a major difference. Speaker B: I think there's some other differences, financials and things like that. Speaker C: I don't want to get it. It is kind of crazy to be in Jason's home recording a podcast like it's 2015, you know what I mean? Speaker B: This is 2016. Was it? Speaker C: No, we did 15. Speaker B: Well, it's more— I'm playing on the theme of the 2016. Speaker A: Well, the problem is, is that you're your squirt bottle is just filled with Magna and not Casamigos.

Speaker C: That was— Speaker B: I mean, it's good that doesn't exist anymore, but now we're not drinking Peach Ciroc and LaCroix. Speaker A: I don't think I've ever seen you drunk. Speaker C: That's not true. Speaker B: What? Speaker A: No, for real. Speaker C: I don't really— Speaker A: no, it's not like we go out together. Speaker B: Well, you don't get slizzered as you— as much as you used to, because we're old. Speaker A: I mean, I say this all the time, I've seen Jason visibly drunk maybe twice.

Speaker C: He's a tall— Speaker A: there's a distinct memory of going home from Johnny Brenda's after a How Long Gone show in Philadelphia, where I had to, like, pull him out. And we got in the car and I was like, this motherfucker is twisted. Speaker C: Well, I mean, if we're going to be real, like those early How Long Gone live shows, Jason would, would have a few before to really loosen up. Speaker B: Before, during, and after. Speaker A: There was times where he was like, I don't want to drink.

I'm like, you have to drink. We both cannot drink. But I say I prefer this. I prefer Jason hungover. That's the best. That's when you get him at the best. If he's having coffee, and he's hungover. Speaker C: Well, I mean, if we're going to be real, like those early How Long Gone live shows, Jason would, would have a few before to really loosen up. Speaker B: Before, during, and after. Speaker A: There was times where he was like, I don't want to drink. I'm like, you have to drink. We both cannot drink.

But I say I prefer this. I prefer Jason hungover. That's the best. That's when you get him at the best. If he's having coffee, and he's hungover. Speaker B: Like yesterday, the governor's off. Speaker A: Yesterday we recorded one of our video, you know, our video recaps, and he came in and I was like, we're— Speaker B: we're— Speaker A: the fact that we're going to make it through this is going to be a miracle. Speaker C: He was hungover from— Speaker A: from the— the party on Sunday. Speaker B: Yeah, on Sunday night.

Thank you to our friends at YSL, Yves Saint Laurent. Anthony, Tony, Tony Vac, he's a sweetheart. W Magazine, Sarah Moonves, dear friend, as well as— Speaker C: we do love Sarah— Speaker B: Tony Vack, and then the Grammys' own Charli XCX hand-selected them jeans to DJ the party I opened. Yes, we don't have to laugh that loud right into the mic. Speaker A: The thing about you opening, to be honest, is the— I guess I didn't— I only didn't know the real techno chick, VTSS, VTSS, and which you went on to tell me, which is so— that she's sort of like the biggest DJ that played technically.

Speaker C: Really? Speaker A: Yeah. Like, she got huge out of it. Speaker B: Yeah, it was me, VTSS, George from 1975, who is obviously— Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker B: You know, they headline Glastonbury. It doesn't get bigger than that. But as a solo DJ, she would be bigger. And then Fuckers, who is a great big act. And they, you know, they open for Tame Impala and they're big. But like, she, she'll play, you know, like a festival in Düsseldorf to 60,000 people and she's wearing a bikini and shit.

Speaker C: Really? Speaker A: Yeah. Like, she got huge out of it. Speaker B: Yeah, it was me, VTSS, George from 1975, who is obviously— Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker B: You know, they headline Glastonbury. It doesn't get bigger than that. But as a solo DJ, she would be bigger. And then Fuckers, who is a great big act. And they, you know, they open for Tame Impala and they're big. But like, she, she'll play, you know, like a festival in Düsseldorf to 60,000 people and she's wearing a bikini and shit.

Speaker C: But it's fun for Jason to open because then he can just, you know, hang out after, which is nice. Speaker A: I want to say something real quick. Jason's opening set, I have to say— Speaker B: I mean, no offense to all the other DJs. I— it was— I easily blazed everyone. Oh, wow. Speaker A: I will say that. Okay. I was in the other room and I heard— Speaker C: You were in the other room a lot. Weirdly. Speaker A: I heard The Killers come on. Speaker B: Friend of the show, DJ Ross One, sent me a message today saying, "Could have used you later in the night."

But it's also like Guy in his 40s, guy in his 40s talking about these kids playing the fucking oops oops music, you know. Speaker A: But Jason played The Killers and I came over from the other room. But I will say George played Blur. Speaker B: He played— Speaker C: that's great. Speaker A: Might have been the biggest song of the night. Speaker B: And Ross won. His comment was, uh, Blur song 2. He's like, I've only seen that song work at like a football game. So I was like, really?

But I mean, like, we used to play it all the time. Speaker A: Yeah, I feel like that's like a one that always works. But he also played my, my favorite. He played the Fred Again Skepta song, which I also love, which is a smash. Speaker A: Yeah, I feel like that's like a one that always works. But he also played my, my favorite. He played the Fred Again Skepta song, which I also love, which is a smash. Speaker B: I can't play no Fred Again. Speaker A: I agree. But that song is unbelievable.

Speaker C: Do you know that they made like 5 versions of that song and they just kept updating the same song so you can't listen to 2, 3, or 4 anymore? You can only listen to 5. Speaker A: Different features? Speaker C: Unless you kept adding features. Speaker B: Unless you downloaded the file. Yeah, but Kanye does that a lot too. Speaker C: Well, it's just annoying because it's like I liked 4 the most and I can't access it. Speaker A: Who was on it? Speaker C: I don't know. They added someone in 5.

Speaker B: But it's more so like adjustments to the mix and things like that. Like he'll listen to it like Fred again. Speaker C: No, no, they added features every single time though. Speaker B: But sometimes they— sometimes it's just like, oh, the hi-hat frequency. Oh yeah, it was bugging me. So we re-uploaded it in the middle of the night. Speaker C: Life of Pablo style. Speaker B: Exactly. Speaker A: That is annoying. Speaker B: Like, I don't like that. Speaker A: No, it's stupid. Speaker B: It's also— Speaker C: you save a song, it's on a playlist, and that comes on and it's like fucking 3 other British rappers I'd never heard of.

Speaker A: It should— Speaker B: I think you should be, you should be allowed to update a song on the streaming services, but there should be a penalty of some, some sort of penalty. Speaker A: I think it's like a brick. You get 5, you get a few chances, you gotta buy a new one. Speaker B: You get 5 and then poof, there go your streams. Speaker A: We banned that song from our— Speaker B: just like, you can update it, but instead of us giving you 1 cent for every million plays, we're gonna 1 cent for every 2 million, whatever, something like that, you know, 0.5.

Are you guys breaking right now? Speaker A: No, no, no. Speaker C: Do you brick? Speaker B: I do brick, but we were talking earlier, the brick, the first week of brick ownership, you're really on top of it. Speaker A: No, no, no. Speaker C: Do you brick? Speaker B: I do brick, but we were talking earlier, the brick, the first week of brick ownership, you're really on top of it. Speaker A: Brick ownership does. I use it. Speaker B: 4 months in and it's easy to fall off the brick.

Speaker C: How does it work? So you just can't use your phone? Speaker A: You tap it and then— Speaker B: You can choose whatever apps you want to disable with the brick. Speaker C: What did you block? Speaker B: Instagram and Twitter. Speaker C: Hmm. Speaker B: That's it. Speaker A: Yeah. Speaker B: And then you just have the— here's the brick. Speaker C: And the real thing we need to stop though is texting. Like, literally us. No, my least productive times are when I'm— Speaker A: oh no, not me.

Speaker B: What? Really? Speaker C: Are you fucking kidding me? Like, me and Chris arguing about fucking politics at— from 7 AM to 9 AM is not productive for me. Speaker A: That's the perfect time to argue. Speaker B: That's cool though. Speaker C: Yeah, because Jason's asleep, so we're just really good. Speaker B: Mods are asleep. Yeah, mods. Speaker C: Yeah. Mom slash mods are asleep. Speaker B: Chris, you shouldn't— I don't like you understanding that reference. Speaker A: Mods? I know what mods are. Speaker C: I remember when Chris said mods are asleep is like a 4chan term.

You remember when Chris had to quit Reddit? Remember that? Speaker A: I was talking about jam. I was talking about like the jam and stuff you're talking about. What are you talking about? Speaker B: Mods is short for moderator. Speaker C: I'm joking. Speaker B: I mean, it's believable. Speaker A: I'm talking about Britpop. Speaker C: No, bro. Chris quit Reddit like opioids back in the day. Speaker A: I've blocked— I blocked— I blocked that for sure. Speaker C: Yeah, you have to. Speaker A: But I don't— Speaker B: that's crazy.

Speaker A: I block Twitter, Instagram, and Tumblr. Speaker B: Tumblr? Speaker A: I'm talking about Britpop. Speaker C: No, bro. Chris quit Reddit like opioids back in the day. Speaker A: I've blocked— I blocked— I blocked that for sure. Speaker C: Yeah, you have to. Speaker A: But I don't— Speaker B: that's crazy. Speaker A: I block Twitter, Instagram, and Tumblr. Speaker B: Tumblr? Speaker A: Yeah. Speaker C: Damn. Are you still updating? Speaker A: Every day. Speaker C: You update Tumblr every day? Speaker A: Maybe not every day. Speaker C: How the fuck do you have this time?

Speaker A: It's like, because it doesn't take any time, bro. Speaker C: You're on LinkedIn too, aren't you? I found out recently that you're very active on LinkedIn. Speaker A: I wouldn't say very, but I'm active. I go on LinkedIn. I've said this before, LinkedIn's amazing. Speaker B: We need to get a new word, like pause, but for, like, dumb stuff like that. Speaker C: You mean Chris's entire life? Speaker B: For, like, for me to, like, do, like, a that, but in terms of you use LinkedIn too much. Like, there needs to be a word to shame you for doing that.

Speaker A: Guys, I don't think you understand. It's like any social media network. It's— there's a language that exists that fascinates me. That's really what it is. It's like a different kind of person exists there that I don't think I come in touch with in my life. In my real life, literally. Speaker C: Well, you don't need to, though. Speaker A: But I want to. Speaker B: The root of the issue is why are you fascinated by it? What pleasure are you getting out of it? Speaker C: He's trying to learn how to be a better marketer.

Speaker A: It's digital people watching. It's like, it's like using— Speaker B: Copyright that. Speaker A: It's like, you're— Speaker C: this is online too much. Speaker A: It's like looking at Facebook. Speaker B: But it's like you're not hate watching. Speaker A: No, no, I'm just taking it in. I'm just for anthropological purposes. I want to digest it. Speaker C: Don't make this fucking academic. Speaker A: I'm not. I really don't. I really just like— Speaker B: Copyright that. Speaker A: It's like, you're— Speaker C: this is online too much.

Speaker A: It's like looking at Facebook. Speaker B: But it's like you're not hate watching. Speaker A: No, no, I'm just taking it in. I'm just for anthropological purposes. I want to digest it. Speaker C: Don't make this fucking academic. Speaker A: I'm not. I really don't. I really just like— Speaker C: this is your undergrad. Speaker B: You won't have to worry about Chris making it academic. No shade, honey. He was making fun of me for having no followers, so I gagged your little hunky ass. Speaker C: I will say, to take it back to me having no followers though, your Reddit— Speaker B: your words, not mine— Speaker A: your choice.

Speaker C: Your Reddit— someone sent me a post from your Reddit which subsequently made me go to your Reddit, and now it pops up on my recommended things, but they confuse me with Chang, which I thought was racist. Very funny. Speaker A: Well, I thought, I thought— Speaker B: like Chris Chang or David Chang? Speaker C: Chris. Chris. Speaker A: I thought our listeners were more woke than that, but I guess they're not. Speaker C: Why would you think that? Have you heard yourself talk? Speaker A: It's not about me.

Speaker B: Look, we've had more than one Chinese guy on our pod, okay? Speaker A: Have we? Speaker C: I don't know if that's true. Speaker A: I don't know if we have. I would love to have— Speaker C: not, not whole, to be half. Speaker B: To be clear, I was using Chinese as a blanket statement for all Asians. Speaker A: You know, you know he's Korean, right? Okay, I just want to make sure you know. Speaker B: Come on, that's the joke, guys. Speaker A: Yeah, I got it.

Speaker B: I know. I know a lot about the Korean. Speaker A: You know more varietals of Asian. Speaker C: If you can believe it, Jason's very familiar with the Asian community. Speaker B: I prefer North Korea to South. Speaker C: He went to the school of Los Globos. Speaker B: That's a Latin establishment. There's spots, there's hostess bars that your ass is going to in K-Town that I know about too. You want to play this game? Speaker C: If you can believe it, Jason's very familiar with the Asian community.

Speaker B: I prefer North Korea to South. Speaker C: He went to the school of Los Globos. Speaker B: That's a Latin establishment. There's spots, there's hostess bars that your ass is going to in K-Town that I know about too. You want to play this game? Speaker C: No, man, I'm a good boy. Speaker B: I see your ass buying homegirl a fruit basket at Orchid. Orchid on Sundays. You got to get the girl the little sparkler and shit. Speaker C: It's a lot of details coming from Jason over here.

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This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's, uh, it's trying to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. Speaker B: A lot of questions. But how often? Because we do this podcast 3 times a week, and That's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Speaker A: 3 times a week. And I, I have a feeling, just based on the platform and these talking points, that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do.

That's just a guess. Speaker B: The Guardian is not some billionaire-owned platform. They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Speaker A: Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in, in what, uh, journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at, uh, stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch on YouTube. It's 3 times a week. And, and who couldn't use more news, you know, especially especially when it's not, you know, from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen.

Speaker B: One time I DJ'd at a Korean club opening for R&B's Dean. Speaker C: I was there. You were there? Yeah, it was like here, right? Speaker B: Who's Dean? Speaker C: He's a good R&B singer. Speaker A: A Korean R&B singer. Speaker C: Yeah, he's sort of like our, honestly, you're gonna hate this, Frank Ocean at a time. Speaker A: I was hoping you were gonna say Tank, but I guess Frank Ocean will work. Speaker B: Tank Ocean. Yeah. And I remember I had a blast DJing that party because he is like a true R&B crooner and he's like good.

Speaker A: I was hoping you were gonna say Tank, but I guess Frank Ocean will work. Speaker B: Tank Ocean. Yeah. And I remember I had a blast DJing that party because he is like a true R&B crooner and he's like good. Speaker C: Yeah, he's a good singer. Speaker B: And it had been so long since I did like a pure R&B, you know, just like I'm gonna play Ashanti into Tank into Ginuwine into whatever it is. Speaker A: I hope they paid you a lot. Speaker C: I doubt they do.

Speaker B: I think it's like $1,500. Not bad for an hour. Speaker C: Do you tell your rates on the show? Speaker B: All the height I could drink. Speaker A: This is 15 years ago. He doesn't care. Rate's gone up since then. Speaker B: Yeah, it's— I'd like to be transparent with my rates. Speaker C: I was wondering how much you got paid for Sunday. Speaker B: Sunday was more of an unpaid opportunity. Speaker C: Well, it's for a friend of the show, Sarah Moonves. Speaker B: It's for exposure.

Speaker C: Oh my God. Speaker B: Look, Charlie has done so much for me. It's nice that I can give back to her in any way. Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. She's done so much for you. Speaker B: And I'm planting the seed into Hollywood, you know what I mean? But I got— Speaker C: How long have you been planting the seed? Speaker B: You sound like my wife. But I got— Speaker A: At least 20 years. Speaker B: So I was in the DJ booth and I was opening, so it was just sort of mostly me.

And then I had a woman that was like my VIP consigliere if I ever needed anything. Speaker A: Because the tables behind the DJ booth in classic form or the VIP. Oh, really? Speaker B: And those are sections that you could not buy. You had to be gifted them. So I'm DJing, 10 minutes in, friend of the show Eileen, who has been on— she was a pod guest a few years ago. Not a fan favorite, but she showed up hand in hand with her new beau, Anthony Kiedis of the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

And she's like, hey, Jason, so nice to meet you finally in person. How, you know, but And this is Anthony. And I was like, hello, Anthony Kiedis. And we both shook each other's hands and we looked at each— we gave each other a look of like, we're both old. We're all done here with talking to each other. Speaker A: Because the tables behind the DJ booth in classic form or the VIP. Oh, really? Speaker B: And those are sections that you could not buy. You had to be gifted them. So I'm DJing, 10 minutes in, friend of the show Eileen, who has been on— she was a pod guest a few years ago.

Not a fan favorite, but she showed up hand in hand with her new beau, Anthony Kiedis of the Red Hot Chili Peppers. And she's like, hey, Jason, so nice to meet you finally in person. How, you know, but And this is Anthony. And I was like, hello, Anthony Kiedis. And we both shook each other's hands and we looked at each— we gave each other a look of like, we're both old. We're all done here with talking to each other. Speaker A: Just like he's like, I ain't trying to make small talk with the DJ right now.

Speaker B: And I don't know how did he look. And I don't want to make small talk with a 60-year-old guy who dates teenagers. Speaker A: He looks good. Speaker B: Yeah, he looks great. Speaker A: He looks great. Speaker B: He looks great. Speaker C: When was he there? I must have missed him. Speaker A: He was there all night. Speaker B: It was early, but he was there for a long time. So then they're politicking. It's all good. And then the other booth, here come Leo DiCaprio, and they set up his table beforehand with the bottle of Azul and then a fat tin of Ossetria caviar.

Speaker C: Wow. L loves to party. I don't know if you guys know that or not. Speaker A: I'm not calling him L. Speaker B: Is there a way that you could shorten his name more? Speaker A: Yeah. More mysterious? Yeah. Speaker B: What? Speaker C: Over the real heads. Speaker A: But I was— I, I saw him. I, I— did he— anyone from his party eat any of that caviar, to your knowledge? Speaker A: I'm not calling him L. Speaker B: Is there a way that you could shorten his name more?

Speaker A: Yeah. More mysterious? Yeah. Speaker B: What? Speaker C: Over the real heads. Speaker A: But I was— I, I saw him. I, I— did he— anyone from his party eat any of that caviar, to your knowledge? Speaker B: I would say they made a 30% dent in the caviar. Speaker C: Did you eat any of the caviar? Speaker B: I grabbed a spoonful, sure. I waited for him to shove off though. Speaker C: Wait, so when was he there? Speaker A: Like pretty early. Speaker B: Yeah, probably like around 11 to 12, something like that.

Speaker A: Well, the problem is that this party is that we got there, you know, we went to dinner and then got there like 9 so Jason could play. Speaker B: Had to be there. Speaker A: So we were behind that. It was us and Role Model, and I got— I couldn't approach. I wanted to approach, introduce myself, say I'm a big fan. Speaker C: You love that guy. Speaker A: I love Tucker, but I'm worried with guys like that and guys like me, sometimes they think I'm making fun of them when I'm being honest.

Speaker C: I thought you were gonna say sometimes they think I have a crush on them. Speaker A: No, I don't have a crush on them. Speaker B: No, that happened to me with Your Faves, Cat's Eye, because I was in the bathroom coming out and then here come one of the Cat's Eyes. And we know each other because I interviewed them for an interview. And she's like, oh hey, you're— and I was like, yeah, yeah, we caught up. And I was like, by the way, I love the Zucchini song.

And she was like, she thought I was like teasing her. And I was like, no, like I really, I do fuck with that. And she's like, no, it's like very funny. Like, well, Cat's Eye, who I'd never heard of, they're kind of getting killed for that song. Speaker A: Well, it was the worst thing I've ever seen. Speaker C: It was rough, bro. Speaker A: That was terrible. Speaker C: I love the performance. Was rough. Speaker B: Gnarly is a good song. I love Gnarly. Speaker A: Gnarly is a— the fact that Gnarly was played at the Grammy Awards is a scary reality to me.

Speaker B: Look, Cat's Eye is going to come do your little K-pop shit. Eat your lunch. Eat your whole bulgogi bowl. Speaker C: Then they really will eat my whole bulgogi bowl, as you put it. Speaker A: I don't understand, though. Aren't they— aren't there some white chicks in that shit? Speaker C: Yeah, it's a— it was made from a reality show and it's like there's a brown girl, I think. Speaker A: Are any of them bad or are they all bad? Is that the whole thing? Speaker C: I think they're the Korean pussycat.

Speaker A: Just so you know, Jason gave a thumbs up when I said, are they all big? Speaker C: Not big. Not— Speaker A: they have lots of flavors of all over the world because there's like a lot. Speaker B: Yeah. It's similar. Have you ever heard of the Spice Girls? A global girl group. This is Katsai. Speaker A: Spice Girls was 4. Speaker B: That's right. Speaker C: No, it's 5, bro. Speaker B: No, it's 4. Speaker A: It's— Speaker C: you guys crazy. It's 5. It's definitively 5. Speaker B: This is a gay test.

You failed. Uh, got your ass. Got your ass in 5K, bro. Speaker C: Bro, I, uh, I, I failed that gay test when I came on this podcast. Speaker A: Oh, good try, good try. Speaker B: Posh Spice, Baby Spice, Sporty Spice, Scary, Scary Spice, the black one. What's the 5th one? Speaker C: Wait, which ones did you say? Speaker A: That's the 4. Speaker B: I thought it was 4. Speaker C: No, no, it's Posh. Speaker B: Posh. Baby. Speaker C: Ginger. Speaker B: Ginger. Speaker A: Ginger. Speaker C: The most famous for a long time.

Speaker A: Look, Cho letting us know what his flavor is by remembering ginger. Speaker C: Wait, which ones did you say? Speaker A: That's the 4. Speaker B: I thought it was 4. Speaker C: No, no, it's Posh. Speaker B: Posh. Baby. Speaker C: Ginger. Speaker B: Ginger. Speaker A: Ginger. Speaker C: The most famous for a long time. Speaker A: Look, Cho letting us know what his flavor is by remembering ginger. Speaker B: Okay, who is your Spice Girl moon and who is your rising? Speaker C: Let's move on.

I have nothing to say to this. Speaker A: You're lost. Speaker C: Do you have a preference? I have no preference. Speaker A: Victoria Beckham, bro. That's the GOAT. Speaker C: That home wrecker of her own home. Are you kidding me, bro? Speaker A: Victoria Beckham is one of the all-time greats. I'm really happy that her beauty brand is doing well. I think that the, the fashion stuff has obviously lost money the entire time, but she has the money to lose. She's a great businesswoman. Speaker B: But I think, I think the brand has sort of— it's taken its licks and it's still sticking around in the ring.

It's respectable. Speaker A: It is. Speaker C: Do you have a preference? Speaker B: I'm posh with Baby Rising. Speaker C: Interesting. Speaker A: Because there's not an Asian one. Speaker C: So yeah, that's why I couldn't relate, honestly. Speaker B: Guys, come on. This is, this is not Oxford study zone. Speaker C: Jesus, isn't that not real? Speaker B: I don't know. I've told the story in this podcast where I was walking the dog. Carolyn and I were walking the dog, you know, 8 in the morning on a Tuesday, and we live close to a school, so it's like a drop-off zone, kind of.

Asian dad in a minivan with his like 2 kids in the back seat, 8 in the morning, rolls right by us, rolls the windows down, and screams, Oxford study. At both of us and I had to Google what it meant. Speaker A: Yeah, I didn't know what this meant until he told us. Speaker C: That's wild. Speaker A: Yeah, I didn't know what this meant until he told us. Speaker C: That's wild. Speaker A: And that was a while ago now. That was like— Speaker C: that's like what people call you on the internet.

It's crazy to do that in real life. Speaker A: Sometimes, Cho, the internet jumps off the screen and into the IRL. Speaker B: But if you're like— if you're like an Asian dad who's like kind of, you know, you're driving— Speaker C: kind of what? Speaker B: You're driving a minivan, you've got kids, you hate your life, you hate your job. Speaker C: Rate him on a scale of 1 to 10. Speaker B: He was nor— he was— he was a 6. He wasn't— I mean, he was, he was a normal-ish looking guy.

Speaker A: Glendale 6. Speaker B: I got— my wife is hot and I'm a white tall guy, and he sees that while he's like got fucking like Cheerio stains on his, his car and he's late for work and his kid is yelling and not happy, all this stuff. And he sees me, I'm on an edible, I'm taking a picture of a butterfly, and he's like, yeah, he didn't like the dogs. Speaker A: He's probably— Speaker C: that guy must love me, evening the score. Speaker A: You know, that's actually crazy.

You guys, you guys, I'm obviously Switzerland here. Speaker B: Oh, you keep it white, just like extra white. Speaker A: No, I meant that I'm neutral. Speaker B: Okay, so then if you want to flip it, when you are in your Asian communities, do people dap you up for— Speaker C: you know, there have been the— there have been Asian guys who are kind of like, no, no, I swear. Speaker B: How do you say respect in Korean? Speaker C: There was— I actually— Speaker A: you don't know? There's like universal— Speaker B: there was a guy.

You don't tell me, I'll just have ChatGPT say into the mic. Speaker C: There was a guy a long time ago, this was years ago, that I was— I was walking the street in New York and he's like an Asian kid and he ran up to me. I'm not even joking. He ran up to me, he was like, bro, I, I just want to let you know, like, I'm a big fan of like your work, of just like work should I had done. And then he was like, you know, so-and-so is so bad, congratulations.

And it was someone that threw tagged photos of me he had realized, like, he'd realized we'd, like, hooked up or whatever. And I was just like, I don't know what to say to this. Speaker C: There was— I actually— Speaker A: you don't know? There's like universal— Speaker B: there was a guy. You don't tell me, I'll just have ChatGPT say into the mic. Speaker C: There was a guy a long time ago, this was years ago, that I was— I was walking the street in New York and he's like an Asian kid and he ran up to me.

I'm not even joking. He ran up to me, he was like, bro, I, I just want to let you know, like, I'm a big fan of like your work, of just like work should I had done. And then he was like, you know, so-and-so is so bad, congratulations. And it was someone that threw tagged photos of me he had realized, like, he'd realized we'd, like, hooked up or whatever. And I was just like, I don't know what to say to this. Speaker A: Well, hold on, hold on. I just want to be clear.

This person, the tagged photo was of— Speaker C: was a white woman. Speaker A: Okay. Speaker C: Just wanted to make sure it was a pretty white woman. Speaker A: Hell yeah, brother. Speaker C: Yeah. Speaker B: It bears repeating. Speaker C: She had dark hair. You wouldn't— wouldn't resonate with you. Speaker A: You're like, I— that is strange. Speaker C: That was weird as hell because, like, to your point, I have no followers. And so for that to happen to me. Speaker A: Right, right, right. Speaker C: There are some Asian guys who are just kind of like, I'm a fan of you.

Speaker A: So, so, but, but I guess what I— so damn, I thought it might be the Asian Ben Edgar for the heads. Speaker B: Mm-hmm. Speaker C: That does, that does. Speaker B: You're a little— Speaker C: that goes to the thing that I was— Speaker B: your special projects are white women. Speaker A: That's actually— this is milled aluminum. It's not a white woman. This is, this is actually— no, no, no. This is something different. I used CAD to design this. Speaker B: Mm-hmm. Speaker C: That does, that does.

Speaker B: You're a little— Speaker C: that goes to the thing that I was— Speaker B: your special projects are white women. Speaker A: That's actually— this is milled aluminum. It's not a white woman. This is, this is actually— no, no, no. This is something different. I used CAD to design this. Speaker B: All right. Speaker A: So on, on Sunday, did you build with anyone? Oh, yeah. Speaker B: You got to— how did you get invited to the party? Speaker C: I don't know. I assume through Chris. Speaker A: How did you— so who did you— did you build with anyone or link with anyone that you know?

Speaker C: I mean, Sarah, obviously, who we love. Speaker A: I was hoping for something a little spicier. Speaker C: Lauren Sherman. Speaker A: Okay. Speaker C: Friend of the show. Speaker A: Okay. Speaker C: There was one moment in the, in the alleyway or in the little doorway where I thought I was going to die. Speaker A: Like, we're so busy. Speaker C: I was getting crushed. It was giving claustrophobia. Speaker A: Yeah, it was giving claustrophobia, but it was really good. Speaker C: It was fun. I didn't build with anyone.

Speaker A: Well, it was a good party. Speaker C: Charlie was very nice. She heard you. Speaker A: I, I, um, I did get to approach someone that I'm a fan of. Speaker B: Who? Speaker A: Audrey Hobart was there. I never met her before, and I went up to her and I was like, so nice. We talked before. I was like, so nice to meet you. She's like, I listen to the pod every day. Like, oh no, she's like, I don't give a fuck if Jason's a hater. I'm ready to come on and we can, we can do this.

And I was like, excellent. That's, that's great news. Speaker B: I like her. Speaker C: Jason, are you a hater? Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Speaker A: But I mean, I'm a hater of 90% of the people that come on this podcast, so it's fine. Speaker B: That's kind of our whole thing. Speaker C: It's okay if I hate everyone until you meet them. Well, I think because once you meet people, you're like, oh, that, that guy's actually cool. Speaker B: I like her. Speaker C: Jason, are you a hater? Speaker B: Yeah.

Yeah. Speaker A: But I mean, I'm a hater of 90% of the people that come on this podcast, so it's fine. Speaker B: That's kind of our whole thing. Speaker C: It's okay if I hate everyone until you meet them. Well, I think because once you meet people, you're like, oh, that, that guy's actually cool. Speaker A: She will win him over and that's all that actually matters. You know what I mean? Like, I don't really care about, like, I might like your output, but it's more important for me to like you.

Speaker B: Yeah, I think, I think Hobe and I can— oh, we can, we can both separate the art from the artist. Speaker A: Yeah, he can throw the rock up, no problem. Speaker B: She could like me and not like my output, and I could like her as a person and not fuck with the music. Speaker A: You have to do that. But we should talk about— I mean, this Smartlist thing is amazing. What's going on watching Smartlist? Our, our ops, the guys who do what we do but get paid $200 million, seeing them finally take a couple lumps besides losing the Golden Globe to your ex-wife is, is, I have to say, gratifying, especially when it's— Speaker C: Did you listen to it?

Speaker A: Yeah, I listened to the clip. Speaker C: I didn't think it was as bad as it read. I thought it read worse than it sounded. Speaker A: Definitely. But I also just think, like, I don't— I am obviously a person who doesn't think you need to be so familiar with someone's work before they come up. Speaker B: Okay, well, for our listeners at home who don't know what happened, Charli XCX went on Smartless, and the premise of the show is the guest is a mystery and they don't know who it is beforehand.

People don't. Speaker A: That's why. Speaker C: Oh, really? Speaker A: So I didn't know that. Speaker B: They don't know for every episode. One person knows who it is and they, they like present it to the other two people who are in the dark. And I think it's like they've designed it that way so they don't have to do any work. They just show up in their boxers on Zoom and knock it out and they go, what's your story? How did you start acting? That's awesome. Gay joke. Gay joke.

Pay some bills. It's done. But Jason Bateman did not know who Charli XCX was at all. Didn't know about Brat, doesn't know about anything. So he's asking her, you know, like about her life. But the— where it gets bad is he's asking— he's trying to convince her to have children. And everyone on the internet's like, you don't ask a woman these personal questions because the answer could be something that's uncomfortable to talk about. And he's saying like, well, maybe you just haven't met the right guy. And she's like, well, I'm actually married.

And he's just— he's doing the jelly roll defense, which is like, I'm just a dummy. Speaker A: That's why. Speaker C: Oh, really? Speaker A: So I didn't know that. Speaker B: They don't know for every episode. One person knows who it is and they, they like present it to the other two people who are in the dark. And I think it's like they've designed it that way so they don't have to do any work. They just show up in their boxers on Zoom and knock it out and they go, what's your story?

How did you start acting? That's awesome. Gay joke. Gay joke. Pay some bills. It's done. But Jason Bateman did not know who Charli XCX was at all. Didn't know about Brat, doesn't know about anything. So he's asking her, you know, like about her life. But the— where it gets bad is he's asking— he's trying to convince her to have children. And everyone on the internet's like, you don't ask a woman these personal questions because the answer could be something that's uncomfortable to talk about. And he's saying like, well, maybe you just haven't met the right guy.

And she's like, well, I'm actually married. And he's just— he's doing the jelly roll defense, which is like, I'm just a dummy. Speaker A: The best part of it is that he goes, well, I don't mean to boast, but you know, my wife didn't want to have kids until she met me. Speaker B: And then I was looking on the tweet and people are saying like he has a history of talking like that to female guests specifically. Of like for some reason trying to brag and both— Speaker C: wait, wait, you mean to tell me this 50-some-odd-year-old white actor is condescending to women?

I, I find that hard. Speaker B: Multi-multi-millionaire. Speaker A: I, I, I don't believe— I feel like claiming to not know who she is feels kind of insane. Speaker C: wait, wait, you mean to tell me this 50-some-odd-year-old white actor is condescending to women? I, I find that hard. Speaker B: Multi-multi-millionaire. Speaker A: I, I, I don't believe— I feel like claiming to not know who she is feels kind of insane. Speaker C: He's so— Speaker B: no, no, he didn't claim to not know. Speaker A: He's got kids and shit though.

Speaker B: He was, you know, he was— he never admitted to not knowing who he was. Speaker A: Okay, okay, okay. Speaker B: But I could tell just— Speaker A: he actually did. Speaker C: But he also might not know like she's married or whatever. Speaker A: That part is fine. Yeah, I think that part is fine. But, but acting, like, I just don't know. Speaker B: You can tell on the show when the, when the guests know who they are or not because they can't— Speaker C: Are you listening to every Smart List?

Speaker B: No, no, not everyone. But like, you can, like, when it's like, ladies and gentlemen, Tom Hanks, and they're like, oh, Tom, what's up? And then he's like, Charlie XCX, and then it's just like cricket. Speaker A: The gay homie's like, ah. Speaker B: And then Will, Will Arnett's like, oh, hey. And Jason's like, You could just hear in his voice, like, who the fuck is this? Speaker A: It's like, married? Oh, all right, never mind then. Speaker C: How long is an episode of Smartless? Speaker B: Nice. Uh, it's like, you know, it's pretty good impression.

It's as long as ours. It's about an hour. Speaker C: Interesting. Speaker B: But like, I would say 17 of those minutes are commercials for like Cricket Wireless and shit. Speaker A: It's amazing because they don't need the— the best part is that they're putting commercials on top of— Speaker C: no, I guess they have to pay it back. Yeah, the people who bought, who, who are licensing their show need the commercial. Speaker B: No, but I didn't know that they— I said, we're gonna make this $180 back. Speaker A: It's amazing because they don't need the— the best part is that they're putting commercials on top of— Speaker C: no, I guess they have to pay it back.

Yeah, the people who bought, who, who are licensing their show need the commercial. Speaker B: No, but I didn't know that they— I said, we're gonna make this $180 back. Speaker A: I thought they— I, for some reason, I thought they also had a paywall, but I guess I'm not familiar with it enough. Speaker C: Yeah, same. Speaker A: It's on— what is it though, Amazon? Speaker B: I don't know, maybe Sirius. Speaker A: They had two, they got one deal and then that expired, they got another one for this.

Speaker C: Well, they also had the HBO show at some point too, but it was one— Speaker A: it was a special, it was like a one— Speaker C: oh really? Speaker A: Yeah, wasn't it just a one— wasn't it like a— Speaker B: it was like a black and white documentary about their life. Speaker A: I think Woody Allen directed it actually, it was pretty— Speaker C: that's, that's not true, is it? Speaker A: Woody? Yeah, Woody worked on it. Speaker B: No, Jesus, Woody did not work on it.

Well, he didn't work on it. Speaker A: I'm just thinking of of, you know, great black and white work. Speaker B: Yeah, that reminds me of the, the Soon-Yi emails on the Epstein files. Speaker A: What did you Google yourself to make sure or not? Did you search the files to make sure you weren't in there? Speaker C: No, I didn't because I was worried about it. Speaker A: But because I'm saying with a typo, what about David Cho? I was gonna say, if we add the E on the end, he might be in there.

Speaker C: I, I will say my friend Neil Shaw, whose birthday it is today, he was in it because he had written an article about it and his byline was on the article. And so it was a really fun— Speaker A: that's the perfect way to be in that. Speaker B: Yeah. Speaker A: Because being in it is a badge of honor if you're not guilty of any crimes. Speaker B: So there's— Speaker C: that's an interesting take for sure. Speaker A: I mean, but you know, it's like funny if you like, if you're Neil, you're like, oh, this is— Speaker C: so you're sort of, you're aspirationally in the Epstein Files.

Speaker A: I didn't say that. I did not say that. Speaker B: It just, you know, it's a sign that you have done something in your life. Speaker B: So there's— Speaker C: that's an interesting take for sure. Speaker A: I mean, but you know, it's like funny if you like, if you're Neil, you're like, oh, this is— Speaker C: so you're sort of, you're aspirationally in the Epstein Files. Speaker A: I didn't say that. I did not say that. Speaker B: It just, you know, it's a sign that you have done something in your life.

Speaker A: I gotta say, I— we talked about this a little bit. I am shocked. Truly, truly shocked. At how bad it is and how it's only a joke. Speaker C: Yeah. Speaker A: Like, literally no one talks about it seriously at all. Speaker C: Well, there's also so much misinformation. Like, there's so many, like, edits and things like that out there too that just kind of make it unclear. Speaker B: You keep saying it's false every time we bring up clips and Hov. Speaker C: Well, the clips in J-1, it's very clear where it's like it's the tip line that they submitted into, but it's not like an investigation.

Speaker A: I don't— Speaker B: Tip Line Remix. Speaker C: You think— you think— you think pre-reasonable— you think pre-reasonable doubt? Well, I was hanging out with, you know, fucking Harvey Weinstein or whatever. Speaker A: Hov claims to be a cocaine and crack cocaine dealer. And I'm sure that some of these underage women that were being procured were using drugs that could have been produced by Sean— excuse me, not Sean Combs. I apologize. Speaker C: I mean, it's hard. It's hard to disagree with that. That intrepid reporter. No, I'm joking.

Speaker A: I've literally seen people. I've literally seen that logic on Twitter. I'm like, you guys are out of control. Speaker C: Yeah, I saw the one broke 23-year-old Jay-Z. I don't think was hanging out with the— Speaker A: no, there was a post. Speaker C: Yeah. Speaker B: On that same, the Brian Johnson, the the I'm going to live forever guy, he was— he's in there as well because he like took some meetings with him. And then somebody tweeted, to be fair, he was biologically 13 when he was— when he was talking to him.

I thought that was good. Speaker A: no, there was a post. Speaker C: Yeah. Speaker B: On that same, the Brian Johnson, the the I'm going to live forever guy, he was— he's in there as well because he like took some meetings with him. And then somebody tweeted, to be fair, he was biologically 13 when he was— when he was talking to him. I thought that was good. Speaker A: I just can't— it's shocking to me that no matter what happens, it's a joke. Speaker C: Yeah. Speaker A: Like it's actually crazy.

Speaker B: Because it's either this is a joke or, you know, like it— Speaker A: what else are you going to do? Speaker B: Kill yourself? Speaker C: Well, they also do flood the zone with complete, like, horrible— it's like they also killed someone. Yeah, they like straight up shot someone. Speaker A: We talked about this. We talked— yeah, I mean, I don't know, we, we talked about it a little bit. I, I just can't— Speaker B: it's, it's shocking to me that it's so funny and only, only half of the docs are out.

There's gonna be so much sick shit. Speaker C: I think there's just a— there's also like when the expectation is that you're a complete piece of shit, I think the, the depths of depravity don't shock anymore, right? Like no one's surprised by any of it. Speaker A: I get— Speaker B: surprise is the wrong word, but this is what I said on Sunday, is that like when Nick Fuentes screams the N-word and then everything is fine, it's like, whatever. Speaker C: If Andrew Tate is at the club singing Heil Hitler, where we're like, yeah, well, like, no shit.

As we often say, fork found in kitchen. Speaker B: Mm-hmm. Speaker A: I don't say that. You guys say that. I don't know where they keep the forks, actually. But the craziest part to me and what I think is really the most damaging is that it makes child pedophilia. No, no, obviously. Speaker B: Mm-hmm. Speaker A: I don't say that. You guys say that. I don't know where they keep the forks, actually. But the craziest part to me and what I think is really the most damaging is that it makes child pedophilia.

No, no, obviously. Speaker B: But I agree that was bad. Speaker A: I just mean that the fact that now everybody thinks this is proof that every single thing is conspiracy and that it's all true is what I think could be a very bad long-term effect. Speaker B: Okay, Dick Cheney, I really honestly— Speaker C: no, no, there is like a— it confirms some parts of the worst QAnon bullshit that now is like— it gives that new life. Speaker A: Yeah, that's what— that's what I think is going to be weirdly the longest lasting.

Speaker C: But, you know, I've long held that I think society is fucked. Like, we, we have failed. Speaker A: Aren't you a fun guy? Speaker C: I mean, it's just, it's kind of a bummer, you know? It's like every week we gave everyone a vote to pick on, like, what's the best thing? And then we all chose MrBeast, you know what I mean? It's like we were like, oh, we can vote with our time. Speaker B: Other than the dumbest shit, other than the severe racism, life was better when the government hid everything from us and everything is going to be okay in the '60s, you know, like that kind of shit.

Speaker C: I mean, it's— I'm a big, like, I kind of think it's like I do miss the part of gatekeeping where it allowed people with good taste to sort of inform what existed. Speaker A: I agree. Speaker C: You know, like, the bad part is obviously what you're saying. Speaker A: Like, I agree. Now systemic— now I gotta hear— now I gotta hear 5 racist guys say mogged every 30 seconds in a 5-minute video. You know, I can't live like this. Speaker B: And they're popular. Speaker A: They're the most popular.

Speaker A: I agree. Speaker C: You know, like, the bad part is obviously what you're saying. Speaker A: Like, I agree. Now systemic— now I gotta hear— now I gotta hear 5 racist guys say mogged every 30 seconds in a 5-minute video. You know, I can't live like this. Speaker B: And they're popular. Speaker A: They're the most popular. Speaker C: Yeah, it's fucking crazy. Speaker A: Speaking of popular, I know you're a big Kanye West fan, so what do you think of his— because I know you were in the club, you know, you were at Avenue popping bottles when Ye songs were coming through the speakers?

And are you able to separate the My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy from the artist? Speaker B: Yeah. Speaker C: I mean, I think he fucking sucks. Like, I think— Speaker A: But you'll put on a little Graduation on the fucking AirPods. Let's be real. Speaker C: Well, I think it's more just like, she ain't messing with the broke, broke. You know, you're, you're fucking Icarus right now in an unedited episode. You told us before we recorded this you weren't going to edit any of this. Speaker B: That was funny. Speaker A: That's no problem, bro.

Speaker B: This is nothing. Speaker A: He did the clean version. What do you want him to do? Speaker B: This is lowercase i on the Icarus. This is light work. I'm not even flying close to the moon. Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah. The sun's way far away from us right now. Speaker C: No, I mean, I think it's— it sucks, right? It's like it sucks when the people that you liked a lot when you're younger, who also weren't horrible then, like, take a turn. You know, it's like he wasn't that guy back then.

Speaker A: Did you see the video of him? Speaker B: Whereas R. Kelly was peeing the whole time. Speaker A: That's true. I think Kanye was bad. Speaker C: Not like that though. Not like on a fucking like, where's a swastika? Speaker A: Well, of course he wasn't that. Speaker C: Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, what do you think was bad about him? Speaker A: Well, I mean, he wore a lot of Givenchy. Um, because you're anti-Rottweiler. Speaker B: Whereas R. Kelly was peeing the whole time. Speaker A: That's true.

I think Kanye was bad. Speaker C: Not like that though. Not like on a fucking like, where's a swastika? Speaker A: Well, of course he wasn't that. Speaker C: Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, what do you think was bad about him? Speaker A: Well, I mean, he wore a lot of Givenchy. Um, because you're anti-Rottweiler. Speaker B: Because I feel like he's not like a Diddy. He doesn't seem like he wants to like beat a woman or like physically assault. I think he's more of like a cuck. Like, he wants to piss somebody off and have a woman like yell at him?

Speaker C: No, like, he thought he wanted to be funny, so he was like— remember, like, he made like a Cranky Anchor style show with puppets because he was like, he wanted to be a comedian. That was what was offensive. Speaker A: That is, that is offensive. Like, thinking you're Dave Chappelle. Speaker B: I'm kind of into puppetry. Speaker C: Tell us more. No, no, no, tell us more. I want to hear more about Jason's interest in puppetry. Speaker B: I'm not actually interested in puppetry, but, uh, when we had Sarah Sherman on the pod and she— we were like coming up with ideas for skits I randomly thought of one and I was going to send it to her.

I was like, what if all the Muppets were hot? Speaker A: Actually, not bad. Speaker C: How much do you guys talk about Chris's really good Kermit impression on the show? Speaker B: It comes up, I would say, twice a year. Speaker C: Have you done it? Speaker A: I feel like— Speaker C: Have you done it before? I'd love an exclusive. I need something to get this episode good. Speaker B: He's done it on this podcast probably 4 times. Speaker C: Hi, I am Kermit the Frog. Honestly, it's the best thing you do.

Like, you have a lot of outputs now, obviously. Speaker B: He's done it on this podcast probably 4 times. Speaker C: Hi, I am Kermit the Frog. Honestly, it's the best thing you do. Like, you have a lot of outputs now, obviously. Speaker B: Chris Black Kermit for the win. Speaker A: FTW, bro. Speaker C: Hannah, clip that one. Speaker B: For the win. Speaker A: Um, I— well, there was a video of Ye leaving, I believe, the stadium in Mexico, and he signed autographs, and he looks like he's been hit with a train.

Look like Mariah Carey at the airport, just like It was, it was like, it was scary. Speaker B: Like the handlers are pointing— Speaker A: somebody's like, you got to pay this money back type shit, and we're gonna, we're gonna wheel you out to perform. Speaker B: So you get— he looked like I could go up to her and say like, hey, Northie just died in a car accident, and the smile on his face wouldn't change. Speaker A: Yeah, that was it. Really, it was like scary. Speaker C: It looked very sad.

Speaker A: It looked very sad. But do you— I mean, I guess there's only two ways it's gonna go with him. Speaker C: What are the two ways? Speaker A: I think it's really bad. Or this? Speaker B: Well, they're saying it's basically mimicking the Elvis Presley career. He's in the stage now where they're pumping him full of drugs. He's fat again, and they're wheeling him out to make a bunch of money off of it. And then, you know, how much— how much money is he going to add? Speaker A: How much money does he owe Live Nation?

Speaker C: I don't think it's anything like that, to be honest. Speaker A: He owes money to somebody. These are all advances. He's living— I mean, there's no way he's making that kind of money. Speaker C: I'm not clear on the math, but I do think it's just kind of also he's addicted to fame. He loves— he wants to be the most famous person at all times. And also, the crazy thing is, like, when he was at his worst most recently, again, We the Society failed, and his streams were higher than ever.

It's fucked up. It's like it was higher than when he was good. Which is crazy. Speaker C: I don't think it's anything like that, to be honest. Speaker A: He owes money to somebody. These are all advances. He's living— I mean, there's no way he's making that kind of money. Speaker C: I'm not clear on the math, but I do think it's just kind of also he's addicted to fame. He loves— he wants to be the most famous person at all times. And also, the crazy thing is, like, when he was at his worst most recently, again, We the Society failed, and his streams were higher than ever.

It's fucked up. It's like it was higher than when he was good. Which is crazy. Speaker A: That is crazy. Huh?! Yeah, that is crazy. Speaker C: Like, when he was doing those fucking, like, uh, the stadium listening party things, it's like that was the most-streamed album he'd had. It's nuts. Speaker A: Jay-Z's a big Carousel guy, just for the lyrics, but I don't know. Speaker B: Carousel? Speaker C: What's that? Is that actually a song? Speaker A: Yeah, Ride That Dick Like a Carousel. Speaker B: You're not from— Speaker A: I think that— I think that's it.

Speaker B: No, the only one I heard was Carousel. Speaker C: I heard the Backstreet Boys. Speaker A: What was it? Speaker B: I think it was— maybe it was— look it up. Talk amongst yourselves. Speaker A: I just— I just feel like I want— I feel like I know this is right because it's one of those songs you don't want to like. You're like, oh, this is pretty good. Speaker B: Um, Carnival. Speaker A: Carnival. Speaker C: Similar. Speaker A: Well, those— yeah, you would find a carousel at Carnival.

Speaker B: So good. She on her roll. Ride the dick like a carnival. Speaker A: Yeah, this just devolved into the Roy and Maul podcast real quick, which— Speaker C: oh, I, I was— I went back and listened to the first time I'd done the show because I was like, I don't want to say the same thing again. And do you know how I closed that episode? Speaker A: Well, I'd love to know. Speaker C: I said, uh, "Bleazy season is upon us." I remember that because I— you obviously are the titular Bleazy.

And honestly, I don't think I've ever been more right about something. I don't— because like, we are in the Chris Black Renaissance now. Speaker A: Well, I'd love to know. Speaker C: I said, uh, "Bleazy season is upon us." I remember that because I— you obviously are the titular Bleazy. And honestly, I don't think I've ever been more right about something. I don't— because like, we are in the Chris Black Renaissance now. Speaker A: I, I would love to see some results from that then. Speaker B: Every other day. Is he gonna be the new editor of GQ?

You know, stuff like that. What do you think, Joe? I, uh, Chris Dollison. Speaker A: What? Speaker B: I say I was just calling you Chris Dollison. That's how much you're popping right now. Speaker A: I would love to be— as I said to you before, Joe, it's, it's all fun and games, but the bank balance is, is not— Speaker C: that's not true— Speaker A: equal to Chris. Speaker C: Chris and I have done some work together that has yielded some lift your bank account, which I love. Speaker A: It's my bank account.

Speaker C: Yeah. Speaker A: You two guys, why don't you tell me about it, Chubb? You two, you two guys help me lift my bank account. I love that about you both. Speaker C: Chris and, uh, and two of our friends obviously have been working together on some projects, like on an advisory capacity, which has been fun. Speaker B: When you say obviously, what is obvious about that? Speaker C: You know, a lot of people ask Chris to help them with work And the same with the other people that work there, Shiv and Spencer.

Speaker A: And I don't know if they do, but ask you. They asked me. They asked me what pants they should buy. Speaker C: Yeah, I tell them. And you tell them Hanover Jeans. Speaker A: I got a DM yesterday. Speaker B: They asked me where to have dinner in Paris. Speaker A: I got a DM yesterday from a guy. Speaker C: I got an app for that, buddy. Speaker A: And I don't know if they do, but ask you. They asked me. They asked me what pants they should buy.

Speaker C: Yeah, I tell them. And you tell them Hanover Jeans. Speaker A: I got a DM yesterday. Speaker B: They asked me where to have dinner in Paris. Speaker A: I got a DM yesterday from a guy. Speaker C: I got an app for that, buddy. Speaker A: Can I wear skate shoes if I don't skate anymore? I'm like, bro, why the fuck are you asking? What the fuck? Speaker C: That's just a poem. That's not even a question. Speaker B: I don't know. I think I kind of like that question.

Speaker A: I'm not mad at the question. I'm just like, you don't have a friend. Like, there's got to be another place for you to ask. Speaker B: It's because they want to talk to you. But I feel like this is an in. It's an open— Speaker C: they want to be your friend. Speaker A: But I feel like there's a skate community that would be the authority. I feel like there's things I'm not the authority. Speaker B: Look, they don't care about the answer. They just want to talk to you.

Speaker A: Fair enough. Speaker C: They just want to see the little red popped up, pop up underneath. Speaker B: That's just a little— give me those three dots. Speaker C: So what'd you say? Speaker A: I didn't answer. Speaker C: You want to answer that question here now? Speaker A: I think if you used to skate, you can wear skate shoes. Speaker B: It may depend on the shoe though. Speaker A: Agreed. I mean, I think that technically Vans could be wearing the big— Speaker B: oh, so you can't pull up in the Muskos?

You can't pull up in the Muskos unless you can do an inward varial heel flip. Speaker A: You pull up— if you pull up in some puffy joints, you look like you work at a gas station. Speaker B: You gotta be able to do a switch laser flip. Speaker A: You gotta immediately be able to do something. Speaker C: Gotta change out of my Dior Travis Scott fucking skate shoes or whatever. Speaker A: You would wear those though. Speaker B: You showed up— what color do you look like? Speaker A: The Dior's.

I mean, he showed up in the Nikes that are just as ugly as the Dior, but they're cheaper. Speaker C: I like both. I support my friends. Speaker B: When you started dating a white girl, did she make you change up your wardrobe? Did she go through, do a little edit, a little closet edit? Speaker A: The Dior's. I mean, he showed up in the Nikes that are just as ugly as the Dior, but they're cheaper. Speaker C: I like both. I support my friends. Speaker B: When you started dating a white girl, did she make you change up your wardrobe?

Did she go through, do a little edit, a little closet edit? Speaker C: Jason's projecting a little too much with his stylist wife. Speaker B: No, I'm not projecting. I'm, I'm— Speaker A: he's trying to sympathize with you, my brother. Speaker B: Jason, I have thoughts. Speaker C: Jason, I had two sides of the same coin. Speaker A: Yeah, I would love— I would You might have got a little— not an edit, but maybe like, I don't know about those Costco dunks for the— for my family dinner, you know what I mean?

Like, I feel like maybe you'd be like, oh, maybe not the pandas for meet the parents with the labubu on. You had a labubu on the Canon tote when you met her parents. Speaker C: I don't know if those old white folks are like, my labubu. Speaker B: All right, David, you can— the labubu can come, but can you take the Phoenix Suns jersey off of him? Speaker C: Stop. Speaker A: Look, the Dior crossbody is fine, but just for the weekends. I don't— And please, not the— Speaker B: not— let's lose the Off-White tag.

Speaker C: Which honestly, I mean, thank you for the setup where I was thinking of things I could say on this podcast that would be interesting. I didn't come up with anything, but, um, what I was thinking about to the Bleezy season involves like Chris Black is the new white Virgil was something that I was kicking around. Speaker A: That is the meanest thing. Speaker B: Creative director. Speaker A: Yeah, that's the meanest thing you've ever said to me. Speaker C: Creative director slash now has his own Off-White slash Hanover.

Which— Speaker A: yeah, it's very similar. Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, yeah. Paint us this picture. Speaker A: That is the meanest thing. Speaker B: Creative director. Speaker A: Yeah, that's the meanest thing you've ever said to me. Speaker C: Creative director slash now has his own Off-White slash Hanover. Which— Speaker A: yeah, it's very similar. Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, yeah. Paint us this picture. Speaker C: I mean, obviously hair is similar. Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Speaker C: Height is similar. Speaker B: Yeah. Speaker C: Loves preppy things. Also a nice guy.

Speaker B: Mm-hmm. Speaker C: Builds with a lot of different people. Friends with Ben Edgar. I can— I could do this for a while. Speaker A: I got to get my— Speaker B: a long time ago, Chris was like, what if we made those CDJs clear? And that's weird that he did that after. Speaker A: I don't— I've been putting weird plastic tags on my shoes since I was in middle school. So it's kind of— Speaker B: those tags were so sick when they first dropped. Speaker A: Do you remember when I made a pair of— I bought— I made a pair of— I think it was Yayo's birthday, and I bought a pair of white Crocs, and I found a similar tag and attached it to the Croc.

Speaker B: I remember this. Speaker A: It was a funny gift. This was the height of that. This was like the absolute peak of that moment. Speaker C: That's similar to— Speaker B: let's pay some bills. Speaker A: Every time I go to the doctor, I walk out of that bitch feeling dumb. I got no real info. This guy in a white coat just say, you're fine, you know, drink more water. Speaker B: He knows how to charge my copay. Speaker A: Exactly. Speaker B: That's about it. Speaker A: As if I could drink more water, doctor.

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Two quick things. Yeah, of course. Chris said he doesn't— he's never had movie theater popcorn. Speaker C: Is that true? No, no, you would love it. Speaker A: No, listen, everybody stop. Speaker C: Everybody, it's just the two of us. Speaker A: I've had it before. But it gets your hands too gross and I have to get up to wash them during— I can't have— Speaker B: No, I feel you on that. Maybe the Korean innovation where you have the little two-finger plastic or just have a lot of napkins. Speaker C: Everybody, it's just the two of us.

Speaker A: I've had it before. But it gets your hands too gross and I have to get up to wash them during— I can't have— Speaker B: No, I feel you on that. Maybe the Korean innovation where you have the little two-finger plastic or just have a lot of napkins. Speaker A: They're not the same. I need water. Speaker C: That's what I do like about you. For a white person, you're so clean. Speaker A: I mean, in a pinch, I'll pour bottled water on my hands. Speaker B: I resent that.

Speaker C: Do you? Speaker A: I don't. Speaker B: I'm only half. I'm a hapa. Speaker A: The last time I've been to the movies, if I went to a movie, it'd be in the morning. And I'm not going to eat popcorn at like 10 AM. Speaker C: If I've been to the movies, it's the morning because he's off them oxys. Speaker A: I went— the only time I ever went to the movies with any consistency is Angelica on the weekends before noon off a bean. Speaker B: Did it matter what film you saw?

Speaker A: I would make sure it was something I wanted to see, but it wasn't, you know, I wasn't extremely discerning. Speaker B: Okay. Speaker A: But the fact that when people put the peanut M&Ms in the— I'm like, I'm sure that tastes good, but that's disgusting. Speaker B: You were watching The Mandalorian? Speaker A: No, no, no. Speaker B: Into the Spider-Verse? Speaker A: I would only see well-reviewed, indie-leaning cinema. Speaker C: As much as Chris says he hates movies, he'll be like, I saw this movie and I like it often.

Speaker A: I don't— I, I, I, I'm not kidding. I can't remember the last time I saw a movie. I guess Baby Girl, because I went to the, like, the screen, like the premiere. Speaker C: Pause. Speaker B: I was there too. Um, okay, so there's that. I agree with you. I don't like the messiness. I have a— I get anxiety when my hands are— Speaker A: I saw some— I saw a viral reel where a girl keeps getting You can get movie theater popcorn like DoorDash from like AMC. Speaker C: Pause.

Speaker B: I was there too. Um, okay, so there's that. I agree with you. I don't like the messiness. I have a— I get anxiety when my hands are— Speaker A: I saw some— I saw a viral reel where a girl keeps getting You can get movie theater popcorn like DoorDash from like AMC. Speaker C: She's not only— can you? I have. Speaker A: You have? Speaker B: Yeah. Speaker A: Joe does some fucked up fat boy shit. You, you also— Speaker C: yeah, of course. Speaker A: You DoorDash Starbucks too.

Speaker C: No, no, not Starbucks. Speaker A: That's the whitest thing about you, DoorDashing Starbucks. Speaker C: I'll tell you what the weirdest thing is, was, uh, I DoorDash a Wendy's cold brew Frosty one morning because I was just kind of curious. And you know what? It hit. Speaker A: I'm sure it did. How could it not be? So how do you— how does your body feel? Speaker C: I don't know. Speaker B: How much? What? What? Speaker C: No, regular, bro. My constitution is a— Speaker A: is on lock.

You guys are honestly— you're different. If I ate the way you guys fucking ate, I would feel terrible. I mean, not in— I guess the extremes sometimes. Speaker B: Like, I don't eat no Wendy's Frosty. Speaker A: I know you don't, but I just mean there— you'll— Speaker B: I just— well, yeah, I mean, I eat like shit. Speaker A: Anything is what I'm trying to say. Speaker B: I'm not afraid to put it in my mouth. I used to love a Frosty. Speaker C: I mean, it's great. Speaker B: I would have one of my first core food memories was being a kid going to the Wendy's in the mall, and a cool Black guy was the cashier.

He made the Frosty in the machine, put the lid on, put the straw on, and then slid it across the bar, and I caught it. Speaker A: That's nice. Speaker C: What? This doesn't sound real. Speaker B: And I was like I've never felt cooler in my entire life. Speaker A: That's nice. Speaker C: What? This doesn't sound real. Speaker B: And I was like I've never felt cooler in my entire life. Speaker C: Well, it's also when we were little, I was like, are you my dad? We were all— we were little and all of us grew up, or you and I especially grew up poor and Chris grew up kind of medium.

And like those— Speaker B: what do you want to correct him? Speaker C: Do you want to correct me? Speaker B: No, no, that's fair. Speaker C: Medium. I don't know. Speaker A: I have no proof. I haven't seen any tax records, but you can— whatever you say. Speaker C: But it's like that thing of like going out to eat, even at fast food, was like so special. Speaker A: Sure. Speaker C: You know what I mean? That's real. It was like one of the only moments of brightness in our otherwise hellish life, or at least in our poor lives.

Sure, sure. Like, it's like we didn't have stuff like that. Speaker B: No, I mean, it would be a tentpole activity for your week. Speaker A: 100%. Speaker B: Huge. Speaker C: Yeah. Speaker A: I savor every Friday. I do feel like that time period, though, because we're all the same, Wendy's was much more popular than it is now. Is that because the competition is stiff? Speaker C: I think it's just in your circle. I think it's still— I think it still hits. Speaker B: Only Black people go to Wendy's now.

I don't make the rules. Speaker A: I just— I'm saying that because of all you guys, like, oh God, we're going to Cane's, we're going to Chick-fil-A, we're going to In-N-Out. Oh, it's so bad. Let me take a picture. Wendy's has suffered. Yeah, think about it. Speaker B: Wendy's needs a rebrand. Speaker C: No, Wendy's had it. Speaker A: Wendy's had McDonald's, Arby's. Speaker B: Damn, are we the 3 children who talk about snack foods on the podcast now? No, no, no. Wendy's is lowkey good. Speaker C: But they do talk like Chris.

Speaker A: Yo, you don't— Speaker C: Yo, Wendy's is my shooter or whatever the fuck. Yo, Dave Arnold, are you kidding? Speaker A: Yo, you know what? Speaker C: But they do talk like Chris. Speaker A: Yo, you don't— Speaker C: Yo, Wendy's is my shooter or whatever the fuck. Yo, Dave Arnold, are you kidding? Speaker A: Yo, you know what? Speaker B: Like, lowkey Wendy's used to have a salad bar. Speaker A: Yeah, a lot of people had salad bars. Speaker C: Pizza Hut had killer salad. Speaker A: Well, that's the— I think there's a few of those still remaining though.

Speaker C: Pizza Hut salad bars. Speaker A: Yeah, I think there's like— I think if you go to— I bet like in Eau Claire you could find like a— I feel like there's towns in the Midwest that exist where like in a time capsule back in there you get like the taco salad from Pizza Hut. Speaker B: I wouldn't go that far. Speaker C: She was tight as hell. Speaker A: You know, I went to John and Vinny's last night. That motherfucking hit, boy. Oh my God, it was so good.

Speaker B: Drop the order, Queen. Speaker A: I went with Katie. We had Wax Mahatchi. Yeah, we had 2 salads, the spicy one and the ruban. And then we had the pasta limone and the LA Woman. Speaker C: Yeah, that's a— I thought it was for 2 people. Speaker A: Yeah. Speaker C: Your ass really does love pizza. It is funny when you're like, I had a crisp pizza. 2 people. Speaker A: That's not a lot. Speaker B: That's just 1 pizza between 2 people is normal. Speaker C: That's not— Oh, really?

Speaker A: Yeah. The pizzas, they're not big. They're regular. Speaker B: Well, no, the thing is, you're getting 3 slices each, right? Speaker C: Because there are days where you're like, probably had to say I had 4 shit too. I'll get a text from Chris being like, you know, I had a Chris day, which usually means I got a whole pizza and ate it by myself. Speaker A: Oh, let me tell you what a Chris day is. Speaker B: It's been a minute since he's done that. Speaker A: Chris day is— Speaker B: or has it?

Speaker A: Ride the Citi Bike to the East Village, get a haircut, get a pedicure, get my nails did, get masked. That's a Chris day. Pizza. Speaker A: Oh, let me tell you what a Chris day is. Speaker B: It's been a minute since he's done that. Speaker A: Chris day is— Speaker B: or has it? Speaker A: Ride the Citi Bike to the East Village, get a haircut, get a pedicure, get my nails did, get masked. That's a Chris day. Pizza. Speaker C: And the pizza. Speaker A: No, pizza is not necessarily Chris day.

Speaker C: Chris night. Speaker A: Pizza can be on and off. Pizza can be anytime. Anytime. Speaker C: Okay, bagel. Speaker B: When you put pizza in a bagel, you can have pizza anytime. Speaker A: Pizza can get it anytime. Speaker B: Me want pizza anytime. Speaker A: If pizza comes through with the toppings, he can low-key get it. Speaker B: Fella Hadid, let's go, man. Speaker A: I feel bad for Fella right now. The mugshot guy, that guy, I've never seen somebody look— he looks— I mean, mugshots are obviously— Speaker B: what did we say yesterday?

He looks like Rafael Nadal. Speaker A: He looks like Nadal. Yeah, it's a head shave. Speaker C: No, but then Nadal, he shaved the head and he looked worse, which is tough. Speaker A: Oh, when did he shave? I haven't seen it. Speaker B: He needs a grow. Speaker C: Have you not? He got a good picture. Speaker B: You got to get the Justin Bieber Turkish hair. You love— Speaker A: I love Bieber. Did you like Bieber on the Grammys? Speaker C: Yeah, I love that song. I love you.

Speaker A: I don't even know the song, but you can— Speaker C: you can— great. Speaker A: I mean, that record, everybody likes it a little too much, but I love that the internet doesn't realize. Speaker B: Yeah. Speaker A: And they're like, this sound— he's trying to sound like DJ. Speaker C: I feel like you're— I feel like you're quoting the Popcast album of the year. Speaker A: I did not. I don't know anything about that. Speaker C: No, no, no, no. There's one that came out at the Australian Open where he looks like a 50-year-old dude who's sad.

Speaker A: No, but it's not— that's it. He's not shaved. That's old. Speaker A: I did not. I don't know anything about that. Speaker C: No, no, no, no. There's one that came out at the Australian Open where he looks like a 50-year-old dude who's sad. Speaker A: No, but it's not— that's it. He's not shaved. That's old. Speaker C: No, no, there's a, there's a new one. Speaker A: I finally shaved. I've seen Finn. Speaker C: There was one that came out at the Australian Open this weekend that was sad.

I was bummed for him. Speaker A: If you're, if you're in that good of shape, it doesn't matter. That's the thing. Speaker C: Is that, is that kind of what— is that your self-mantra? Speaker A: No, nothing can help me. Speaker B: He's had hair— he's had hair issues his whole life. Yeah, never laid right. Speaker A: But those guys also have to wear the headband, and then it gives them a crazy forehead tan line, which they don't have to wear the headband. I think it's a choice. They have to keep the sweat out of their eye, so they gotta do— Speaker C: fellas, do you guys still play tennis?

Is that still a thing? Speaker A: It's just too hard, dude. Speaker C: I feel like that was a core tenet of the brand early on. Speaker A: It's true. Yeah, we played every— we played like 3, 4 times a week. Speaker B: It was a COVID thing. I just don't really have that much time anymore. And also, so much time, it's really hard in New York, and then I had a really good setup in, in during COVID where I had access to the Glendale Community College courts. I had carte blanche, play whenever I want.

And then I lost that after COVID, so you had to log on and do reservations. Speaker C: It's just too much work. Speaker A: I don't think people realize that if you're busy and you want to play tennis and you don't pay $100 grand for like a club, it's really annoying. It's, it's like the— honestly, one of the worst. I think the sport would be more popular It is easier, but then the popularity works against it because no one can get court time. So then you get frustrated, do you know what I mean?

It's like it's sort of working against itself in a way. I, I wish— I mean, I, I have friends in New York that play all the time. Speaker C: It's just too much work. Speaker A: I don't think people realize that if you're busy and you want to play tennis and you don't pay $100 grand for like a club, it's really annoying. It's, it's like the— honestly, one of the worst. I think the sport would be more popular It is easier, but then the popularity works against it because no one can get court time.

So then you get frustrated, do you know what I mean? It's like it's sort of working against itself in a way. I, I wish— I mean, I, I have friends in New York that play all the time. Speaker B: We need to get a private court. I mean, our next house, it's either going to be pool or tennis court. Speaker C: Your next house? Speaker A: I think it'll probably— Speaker C: is that like hypothetical, or are you talking about like, is there— are you guys looking for a house? Speaker A: I think it's probably going to be a pool, Chief.

Speaker C: Tennis court is tough. Speaker B: It's cheaper than to put one in for not that bad. Speaker A: They're not that expensive. Speaker B: If we, if we get a fixer-upper that has room, it's cheaper than a pool. Speaker A: $30 grand or $40 grand. Speaker C: The footprint is so big. Speaker B: Unless— but yeah, it'll be a pool if it happens. Speaker A: I would like— I would really like for you to have a pool. Speaker B: We're not actively in the market, but, you know, a couple of years.

Speaker C: You're not. Speaker B: I get links. Speaker C: How many tabs does Caroline have open right now, do you think? Speaker B: Well, when she bricks her phone, the Redfin don't get bricked, you know what I mean? And as you know, as a bricker, if you have your, your Facebook, your Netflix, your blah blah blah, all your TikTok, all your stuff, when you're bricked out and you're laying in bed, your brick's in the other room. Speaker A: Anything will do. Speaker B: Next thing you know, here come the little, I'm reading the news now and I'm checking the weather, any port in the storm type beat.

I had a friend, hers is real estate type shit. Speaker C: I had a friend who was addicted to his phone and then the way he would like, so he'd brick the browser and the way he'd get to it was to look up the Google headquarters and then go through Google Maps and then go to com. Wow. The Google headquarters website was com. Speaker A: Anything will do. Speaker B: Next thing you know, here come the little, I'm reading the news now and I'm checking the weather, any port in the storm type beat.

I had a friend, hers is real estate type shit. Speaker C: I had a friend who was addicted to his phone and then the way he would like, so he'd brick the browser and the way he'd get to it was to look up the Google headquarters and then go through Google Maps and then go to com. Wow. The Google headquarters website was com. Speaker B: I mean, you want to talk about addict behavior. Speaker A: That is so cool. That is so cool. I love that because I— that is— that's aspirational.

Speaker B: I like to use Google Maps to find and like categorize the restaurants in town that I like, but is there a better way? Come on, child. Speaker A: I feel like you probably have some ideas around this. Speaker C: I do have some ideas around that. I think— I feel like we talked about last time, and then, you know, now we're like rolling it out, which is exciting. We sent out the early email. Speaker B: What are we rolling out? Speaker A: How come I didn't get an early email?

Speaker C: Because I didn't want to get made fun of by you. I said to Jason— Speaker A: oh, I know, I got that email. Speaker B: Did I— Speaker A: did I say BCC to friends and family? Speaker C: Oh yeah, yeah, the friends and family. Speaker A: You fucked No, I mean, why don't you bring it up, Jason, and read it? Speaker C: We've been, we've been working. Speaker B: Hold, please. Speaker A: Just search his name and your email will come up. Mm-hmm. Speaker B: A BCC'd work favor.

Speaker C: It's true. Speaker B: Hello, if you're seeing this, it's because I trust you. Speaker C: That's nice. Speaker B: And think of this BCC'd email as a safe space to tell you about what I've been working on. Speaker A: Just search his name and your email will come up. Mm-hmm. Speaker B: A BCC'd work favor. Speaker C: It's true. Speaker B: Hello, if you're seeing this, it's because I trust you. Speaker C: That's nice. Speaker B: And think of this BCC'd email as a safe space to tell you about what I've been working on.

Speaker C: Turns out I was wrong. This is now going out to tens of thousands of people. Speaker B: But you have, you have an app called Postcard, and we're doing a proper soft launch right now. I'm one of the experts that's already been onboarded. Speaker C: It's true. Speaker B: I've done some beta testing as well. Speaker C: We also— I mean, there's like good stuff on there now. It's like Jason has a list that he sends people of like, let's say it's an email right now. He can copy and paste that in.

It'll just figure out what all the places are, put them on the map. Speaker A: Yeah, that's sick. Yeah, I honestly did not know that. Speaker C: Yeah. And then we have a thing right now where it's like if you see something on Instagram shared into the app, map. It'll like identify what the place is, put it on a map, embed the Instagram post or the TikTok or whatever. Speaker B: That's good. Lauren Sherman, she— because she said that she uses Instagram as a way to categorize restaurants in other towns that she has.

Speaker C: She's gonna love it. Speaker B: And she, she has to go on and unfollow because she uses it like cities that she's never even been to. Like, this restaurant looks cute, I'll follow it in hopes that one day if I ever go to— Speaker C: no, my shit is like, my parents are in Korea I'll like share or I'll like put a bunch of stuff on a map and I land at Incheon Airport and they'll be like, here are the 33 things you have saved, like which of the ones you want to go to and all that.

So that is— Speaker A: I've never thought about the import because the process can be laborious. Speaker C: no, my shit is like, my parents are in Korea I'll like share or I'll like put a bunch of stuff on a map and I land at Incheon Airport and they'll be like, here are the 33 things you have saved, like which of the ones you want to go to and all that. So that is— Speaker A: I've never thought about the import because the process can be laborious. Speaker C: Yeah. And it's so it's like if Jason has one that he's already sending to people or you for like Copenhagen or where the fuck, it's like you can just paste it in and I'll add it.

But no, it'll be good. Speaker B: No, it's good because I've— I have always been very like list averse. Speaker C: Yeah. Speaker B: I think it's mostly because people ask me like at least once a day just because I'm I'm an LA food guy, 100%. So it happens all the time, and I was always just like, oh, and it just made me want to close the laptop and just like forget it. And now technology has caught up to where it's been easy enough to just like drop it in, boom, write one of my classic great witty one-sentence lines, and then it does everything else.

Speaker C: We have the thing with Substack too, or Substack. Speaker A: Well, pump the brakes. Speaker C: That'll roll out wider where it's like you can like, let's say you have trouble writing a Substack. Let's say you started one in 2024 and you've been having trouble posting on it. Speaker B: Don't go down this road. And your— Don't go down this road. Speaker C: And your friends paid for it, right? Like, let's say your friends at this table paid for it. We can make it so essentially— Speaker B: What'd you pay for, bro?

Speaker C: We paid for it. Both of us paid for a Substack. Speaker B: Oh, that's on you. Speaker C: But that's real talk though. Speaker A: It is that real talk. Speaker B: But so let's say— I never once asked for money. Speaker C: But let's say you have trouble writing a newsletter or whatever. It's like you can now just put put your lists behind the Substack paywall so you can just use— Speaker C: We paid for it. Both of us paid for a Substack. Speaker B: Oh, that's on you.

Speaker C: But that's real talk though. Speaker A: It is that real talk. Speaker B: But so let's say— I never once asked for money. Speaker C: But let's say you have trouble writing a newsletter or whatever. It's like you can now just put put your lists behind the Substack paywall so you can just use— Speaker B: That's great. Speaker C: Your Substack subscription to paywall the content. Speaker B: So now you listeners, you don't even have to ask me. Speaker A: You're part of the problem. Speaker B: All you have to do, just hit that little tap to pay.

Speaker C: And Chris is allergic to money. That's, that's, that's my problem. Speaker A: I'm allergic to your bullshit is what I'm allergic to. Speaker B: That's the new LinkedIn bio. Chris Black, creative director at large, allergic to the BS. Speaker A: I'm allergic to the BS. One thing about me Don't bring it around here, boy. I'll get hives dealing with your ass. Speaker B: Okay, well, inc. All right, check it out. It's a good— if you, if you're a lister, if you want to get lists or you want to make lists, make your life easier.

And our good friend— Speaker C: I mean, this is my last thing that I do think is good, is we tell you to pick 3 places, and then based on those 3 places you pick, if you land in a city, we'll be like, okay, here are the things that are like those 3 places. Speaker B: That's crazy. Which is actually really nice. Speaker A: Damn, these engineers you got are working hard as hell. Speaker C: Yeah, the Waterloo's finest, bro. Water— Speaker A: shout out to all my water. Speaker B: How many Claude bots you got set up on this shit?

Speaker C: Do you know what Claude bot is? Yeah. Do you know what a Claude bot is? No. It's actually kind of crazy. Speaker A: It writes code, right? Speaker C: One of the things I did want to talk about on this podcast, which I don't think we have any time for, is Jason's relationship with AI. I was curious to where it's at right now. Speaker A: shout out to all my water. Speaker B: How many Claude bots you got set up on this shit? Speaker C: Do you know what Claude bot is?

Yeah. Do you know what a Claude bot is? No. It's actually kind of crazy. Speaker A: It writes code, right? Speaker C: One of the things I did want to talk about on this podcast, which I don't think we have any time for, is Jason's relationship with AI. I was curious to where it's at right now. Speaker A: I think he's getting close to getting a handjob. I don't know. I don't— Speaker C: I wanted— I think he went up shirt, but I wanted to do a Jason AI check-in personally because I was curious because we haven't talked about it.

Speaker B: I just, I basically use it as Google when I think that's what I need to know an answer for something. No, I think it's gotten very good, but I am not giving it my credit card information and my Social Security and saying book my appointments and calendars. And do people do that? All that stuff? Speaker C: That's what the Claude bot, now Molt bot or whatever it's called. Speaker A: You know, Craig on Southern Charm There was— no, this is crazy. He told his friend with a straight face, like, I've been using ChatGPT for therapy.

And he was dead serious. Speaker C: And I was like, I know people have done that. Speaker A: That's psycho. That's literally crazy. Speaker B: It's— I mean, it's free. Speaker C: Well, no, I think it's good for people who have trouble. Like, the idea of therapy is hard for them. No, no, the idea of like putting your thoughts into it and it's like, dude, I'm fine. Speaker A: Look, all good, do you. But let's— we gotta like, we gotta think a little bit logically here. Speaker C: I mean, it's not as good as a real therapist, but I'm happy for anyone seeking like real personal betterment by being— Speaker A: tell that to all these kids that killed themselves because the chat told them to.

Speaker C: I mean, that's a weird way to end the episode, but in a year, will AI be a better therapist? I mean, not a better therapist. Speaker C: I mean, it's not as good as a real therapist, but I'm happy for anyone seeking like real personal betterment by being— Speaker A: tell that to all these kids that killed themselves because the chat told them to. Speaker C: I mean, that's a weird way to end the episode, but in a year, will AI be a better therapist? I mean, not a better therapist.

Speaker A: They can't wear the glasses, you know. Speaker B: Will there be a point where AI becomes a better therapist, or good enough to where it's free? Speaker C: I think it's really impressive, the advancements of it. But none of this stuff's free. Speaker B: I mean, it's basically— you're paying for it, right? What is it, $10 a month or something? Speaker A: I think it's more than— I think it's like $20. Which is— I'm not saying it's a lot. Speaker B: I'm just saying free is as much as I pay for the fucking Hulu.

Free and $120 a year is different. Speaker A: That's all I'm saying. That's all I mean. I know it's a negligible amount of money, but you know what I mean. Speaker B: But also, if like, if Google Maps— one day— say what? Started costing, you know, like if Waze— yeah, yeah— now $5 a month, I would still use it. Speaker A: Totally, totally, totally. But I think that still is a I think there's a— the paywall of it all is a barrier of entry for a certain kind. Speaker B: But I think they— Speaker C: you get to— there's a free version.

Speaker B: Yeah, there's a free version. Speaker A: Yeah, but the free version probably doesn't do shit. No, no. So they just have ads. Speaker B: It's the same. And there's ads. And then I think they throttle how much you can use it like per day or per week. Speaker A: So when you're— yeah, that's going to fuck up. Speaker C: You don't use it at all. Speaker B: You ran out of inquiries. I use it. Speaker A: I use it sometimes like Google, like Jason saying. I just— I don't— I don't— it's just not the default.

Fault. Like, I don't— you know what I mean? Right, right. Speaker C: Like, I used it when I was coming here being like, okay, we're renting a car, here's the credit cards I have, what is— what are the insurance things I should actually get? Like, what's actually helpful? I mean, it's good. Speaker A: So when you're— yeah, that's going to fuck up. Speaker C: You don't use it at all. Speaker B: You ran out of inquiries. I use it. Speaker A: I use it sometimes like Google, like Jason saying. I just— I don't— I don't— it's just not the default.

Fault. Like, I don't— you know what I mean? Right, right. Speaker C: Like, I used it when I was coming here being like, okay, we're renting a car, here's the credit cards I have, what is— what are the insurance things I should actually get? Like, what's actually helpful? I mean, it's good. Speaker A: That's the most narc-ass use of— why, bro? Who cares, bro? Speaker C: Because it's like they're always upselling you. You don't know the right— Speaker A: if I go in there and say, get me out of here as fast as possible, let's go.

Speaker C: It is funny, like, Chris and I have the same thing where it's like we— I mean, Chris, even though he grew up medium, has poor mentality. And like, do you remember that time we went to the grill and it was like a big group of us and like— Was this when you dropped your phone from the second story? Speaker B: No. Remember that? Speaker C: No, no. This was when we went to go get a drink at the grill after Chris's birthday at Mr. Chow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we got a drink there and then it was like 7 of us and we all got one drink and the waiter was like, oh, like who?

Like, how are we going to pay for this? And people started being like, we're going to split it. And Chris and I were so nervous about someone thinking we were poor. Like, no, no, no, we'll just pay. One of us will pay for it because we— because we just couldn't deal with someone thinking that. Speaker B: I think, well, there is that, but I think it's, it's half being afraid that somebody will think you're poor and half just like common courtesy of like, I'm embarrassed to split it. Speaker C: I mean, I'm— I'm so inconvenient to the— Speaker B: to the— it's just bad.

It's like bad form as somebody who prides themselves on a good restaurant or bar. Speaker C: I mean, I'm— I'm so inconvenient to the— Speaker B: to the— it's just bad. It's like bad form as somebody who prides themselves on a good restaurant or bar. Speaker C: I will say no one else offered though. Of course not. Speaker A: No, no, I mean, Chris, I've— I went through— Speaker B: well, the two biggest ballers at the time. Speaker A: Well, you should— is where it was richest person always pays. During the Cartel era, I went through a phase where I was— I paid all the time for whether it was dinner or an 8-ball.

Speaker C: Personal funds or from the tour? Speaker A: Personal. Like, I was just like, I got bread and none of you guys do. So you are a very generous person, but I just know there's a certain point— I agree though, there's a certain point where if— I mean, it's different if you're with someone who's like actually rich, I think they also know, like a true, you know, you've been in more of the situations than I have, but I just mean like that can get crazy if it's somebody who you're like, bro, I know you have $50 million, why are we splitting dinner?

Speaker C: I think sometimes it's a nice gesture though, so it's like not transactional. Speaker A: So many people, of course, I would happily, I'll pay for anybody, I don't give a fuck. Speaker B: And Cho ain't afraid to ask for the Venmo. Speaker C: No, he ain't afraid at all. I will say both of you still owe me for Oasis, but that'll come later. Speaker B: I didn't get a charge. Really? Charge? Speaker C: What do you mean really? I forgot. We paid for this. Speaker A: You didn't hit me with the charge.

Speaker C: I didn't. My accountant was like, are you paying for these guys to go to Oasis? Speaker A: Yeah. And you're like, yes, actually, that's a nice thing to do for my friends. I thought Shiv paid for it, to be honest. Speaker C: Oh no, no, I paid for it. Speaker B: Your accountant said, are you paying for all these guys? And Cho said, well, because you bad. Speaker C: This isn't a top 10 episode, but that was very good. Oh, thank you. Speaker A: You. All right, com is the website.

Thank you, David Show, for joining us here. Speaker C: Oh no, no, I paid for it. Speaker B: Your accountant said, are you paying for all these guys? And Cho said, well, because you bad. Speaker C: This isn't a top 10 episode, but that was very good. Oh, thank you. Speaker A: You. All right, com is the website. Thank you, David Show, for joining us here. Speaker B: And inc is the website, still in beta. Thank you, King. Speaker A: Who's to say these days? Who do we have? Speaker B: We got another guest, themjeans at Instagram.

Come follow me. Speaker A: Let me see who's, who's on Thursday. Come on. Oh wow, real, real insane one on Thursday. Hopefully we don't have any mistakes. It's for the old heads. Speaker B: For the old heads. Speaker A: Um, all right, thank you guys for listening. We really appreciate it, and, uh, we talk to you on Friday. Speaker C: Thank you. Speaker A: Wog wog.