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Speaker A: All right, uh, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it 3 times a week. Jason, does that sound familiar to you? Speaker B: We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place.

Speaker A: All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcasts or watch on YouTube. Speaker C: Hello, how long gone? Speaker A: It's a beautiful noisy day here in Manhattan. We've got some protesters outside, Jason. They're vocal. They don't have jobs. They're out here in the middle of the day, you know, doing God's work. I'm not exactly sure what it's for, but there's a lot of action happening right now. Speaker B: Okay, this is— is this by the courthouse? Speaker A: Yes, by the courthouse. People are protesting, they're walking.

I think it's about the Venezuela homie. Speaker B: Yes, the arraignment of Nicolás Maduro, not to be confused with, uh, a GLP-1. Speaker A: Yes, but the guy, the guy from Venezuela. Yeah, so anyway, it's loud, it's fucking annoying. And this is the price you pay for living in New York unless you want to live in Cobble Hill and, you know, cosplay like it's Boston. Unfortunately, you got to pay your dues. Speaker A: Yes, but the guy, the guy from Venezuela. Yeah, so anyway, it's loud, it's fucking annoying. And this is the price you pay for living in New York unless you want to live in Cobble Hill and, you know, cosplay like it's Boston.

Unfortunately, you got to pay your dues. Speaker B: Okay. Big day in them hatin' starting off early. I forgot about my man Maduro when we kidnapped the president of a country 4 months ago and forgot about it. And then I guess he's just been posted up in Rikers with Harvey. Speaker A: He's at Rikers shooting dice with Harvey. And then, and I think he's, I heard he's up actually. Speaker B: I heard he's currently up. Okay, that's good to know. Speaker A: He's currently up. I put a little bit, I put a little bit on his books just so he could get some honey buns.

Um, but I haven't, I haven't really— Speaker B: you are too white to be talking like that, Chris. Speaker A: He hasn't called me, hasn't called me. I heard a remix, I heard the— an R. Kelly-Chris Brown remix that he recorded over the jail phone. I was going to send it to you. Speaker B: No, I think I saw it online, but typically the jailhouse recordings are not really up to snuff for my audiophile. I, I likely Doubt he uploaded the FLAC file. Speaker A: So it was better than I thought it would be.

I thought the same thing. Not that I have the ears that you do. Speaker B: Um, those, those used to use some of Meek Mill's newest claw tools to improvise the jailhouse phone recording, uh, to get things up to studio level. Speaker A: Yeah. We gotta get, gotta get DistroKid. Speaker B: I'll pick it up. Speaker A: Not R. Kelly jail phone recording. Speaker B: Put some commentary on my DistroKid. Speaker A: Put some money on my DistroKid. There's new Tory Lanez. Apparently DistroKid really, really does have the jails on lock, no pun intended, right?

No pun intended. Oh man. Uh, yeah, but anyway, it's, it's, yeah, it's serious. It's serious out there. And I, I'm gonna— I'll be able to focus though, don't you worry, TJ. Speaker A: Yeah. We gotta get, gotta get DistroKid. Speaker B: I'll pick it up. Speaker A: Not R. Kelly jail phone recording. Speaker B: Put some commentary on my DistroKid. Speaker A: Put some money on my DistroKid. There's new Tory Lanez. Apparently DistroKid really, really does have the jails on lock, no pun intended, right? No pun intended. Oh man. Uh, yeah, but anyway, it's, it's, yeah, it's serious.

It's serious out there. And I, I'm gonna— I'll be able to focus though, don't you worry, TJ. Speaker B: Okay, not a lot of protests going on over here in Glendale. I know they were cracking down on, uh, there's some people doing some scams, some like daycare center scams, some assisted living hospice scams on my, uh, pouring a little cognac, pouring a little brandy out for the Armenian homies out here jugging. Oh, got hemmed up by the feds. Speaker A: Yeah, gotta, gotta pour out a small shot of duse for the homies who were scamming the hospice.

I, I agree, we gotta keep those guys in our thoughts and prayers. Uh, that's, that's a kind of a I mean, they're going to die anyway. Speaker B: All right, we're going to go walk to get a new battery for my vape. You're coming with, coming with, Granny. Speaker A: Well, I mean, look, it's that— I'm not going to say it's a victimless crime, of course, but it does, you know, I mean, if they're— if you're that close to kicking the bucket and it's insurance money anyway, who's really being harmed here?

Speaker B: No, I mean, I see it, you know, it happens not only in Glendale but all over the place where you see the, the person who is just kind of on their phone while they're— the 90-year-old person they're taking care of is just like staring at a wall or something like that in the parking lot. Of course, it's one of those things where I'm like, damn, that sucks. But also like, if I was in that person's situation, if I was like a 16-year-old vaper who listens to fucking Travis Scott, I would probably be, you know, same level of responsibility would be—

Speaker B: No, I mean, I see it, you know, it happens not only in Glendale but all over the place where you see the, the person who is just kind of on their phone while they're— the 90-year-old person they're taking care of is just like staring at a wall or something like that in the parking lot. Of course, it's one of those things where I'm like, damn, that sucks. But also like, if I was in that person's situation, if I was like a 16-year-old vaper who listens to fucking Travis Scott, I would probably be, you know, same level of responsibility would be— Speaker A: I gotta buy a new Nike Tech somehow.

I'll give Granny her pills at 3 PM and 8 PM. Speaker B: One for you, one for me. Speaker A: Yeah, speaking of Speaking of creative visionary Travis Scott, they just— Matthew Williams, former, you know, he was at Givenchy most recently, but of course of the brand Alix, which I know you're familiar with. Kanye affiliate, Lady Gaga affiliate, OC. I believe he's an OC legend, actually. Speaker B: Yeah. From the only other guy from the OC who could claim Vintrill, right? Speaker A: Exactly. Exactly. Speaker B: At the top, it's just us, M-Dub.

Speaker A: Vintrill OG. Uh, he has been named creative director of Oakley, who has a rich— actually a rich footwear history that I believe he's going to re-explore along with the eyewear and clothing. Um, but I, I know it's funny because— Speaker B: 4 years too late. But, uh, so isn't Travis Scott the creative director of Oakley? Speaker A: Well, here's, here's the— Speaker B: oh, he's the CFO. That's right, I always get it mixed up. Speaker A: Create— no, he's the creative— literally, I believe he's the creative visionary is the title, and Matthew Williams is the creative director.

So this is what I'm trying to understand. Does that mean that Matthew Williams, someone who regardless if you like his designs or his personality, has a lot of experience in the field, is he having to clear— and I know, I know Travis Scott is quote unquote twin, that's twin, it's not his Playboy Cardi, but it's close enough. Do you think that Travis Scott has final sign-off? Do you think Travis Scott's getting tech packs? Speaker B: 4 years too late. But, uh, so isn't Travis Scott the creative director of Oakley? Speaker A: Well, here's, here's the— Speaker B: oh, he's the CFO.

That's right, I always get it mixed up. Speaker A: Create— no, he's the creative— literally, I believe he's the creative visionary is the title, and Matthew Williams is the creative director. So this is what I'm trying to understand. Does that mean that Matthew Williams, someone who regardless if you like his designs or his personality, has a lot of experience in the field, is he having to clear— and I know, I know Travis Scott is quote unquote twin, that's twin, it's not his Playboy Cardi, but it's close enough. Do you think that Travis Scott has final sign-off?

Do you think Travis Scott's getting tech packs? Speaker B: Right. Well, I mean, I think we can talk once our guest comes on about this, just typically about how org structures work out and how it's, uh, how chief visionary officer is going to net out over creative director on the hierarchy. I don't know if the entire Cactus Jack creative team is pulling the puppet strings of M. Williams. Obviously Travis Scott has not worked a day in his life for Oakley as their chief visionary, right? Speaker A: I don't think it's— yeah, no, I don't— Speaker B: like, you see, like, I'm— that's not a knock on his irresponsibility or laziness.

I'm saying he's like the biggest rapper alive and constantly working and, you know, touring. He's on a fucking private jet in Russia, you know, like he's— I don't think he's got the 9 to 5 at Oakley HQ. Speaker A: No, I don't. Down in Irvine or whatever. I don't think that either. I think that there's probably some text messages exchanged and someone from his camp is overseeing it and it's getting done. But I think that— Speaker A: No, I don't. Down in Irvine or whatever. I don't think that either. I think that there's probably some text messages exchanged and someone from his camp is overseeing it and it's getting done.

But I think that— Speaker B: okay, well, actually, maybe a better question. Sorry to interrupt. A better question to frame it. What is the highest level of software or computing that he is using in his role as Chief Visionary Officer of Oakley? Is it— does it exceed beyond text message? Speaker A: No, definitely not. No, I believe that Travis Scott ain't no Microsoft team. Do you think Travis Scott can use recording programs? Do you think he's able? Speaker B: Yeah, I do. Speaker A: Okay. So you think he's sick with it on the Pro Tools or is he more of a Fruity Loops cat?

Speaker B: I think he's a little proficient in both at this point. Speaker A: Okay. Because he produces some of his— I think of his music. Speaker B: Couldn't change a light bulb, but he can work GarageBand pretty sweet. I think. Speaker A: Okay, okay. Then yeah, if he can do that, I think he's probably focused on that, and he's got some team members that are gonna able— are able to sort out this pesky, this pesky sort of creative direction stuff. But I thought that was an interesting hire, and I hope the baguiole is good.

I hope the baguiole is good. Speaker B: As do I. Speaker A: All I can— all I can do is hope everybody's getting paid because we sure aren't. Speaker B: Our guest is in the lobby. She's gonna stay super silent on mute for 5 minutes and just chuckle along. Okay, give me— give me a thumbs up if that's okay. Speaker A: People would pay $10 a month to see this, okay? So you just— you're getting it for free. You're getting it for free. Um, yeah, Jason, did you go out last night?

I saw there was a big Los Angeles, uh, club closing that I thought maybe was something you were a part of. Speaker A: People would pay $10 a month to see this, okay? So you just— you're getting it for free. You're getting it for free. Um, yeah, Jason, did you go out last night? I saw there was a big Los Angeles, uh, club closing that I thought maybe was something you were a part of. Speaker B: Yeah, it was, it was Echo Park's Tex or Tay, depending on how— Speaker A: no one's ever said it right, which is— I love it.

It's either, either one is wrong depending on who it is, you know what I mean? Speaker B: Yeah, they're both wrong. I did not go. Carolyn went. It was what she went and hung out and like went somewhere before and then went to the thing after. I was at home. So like by the time, you know, whatever it was, 10:00 came around on a Wednesday, I got belly full of tofu. Fans of my Libby's cooking content, stay tuned. Watch this space. We got new shit coming up in the mango world.

But, you know, I was horizontal. I was watching TV. I feel, you know, Bean and I were laid up. I'm not going to go rally. To, you know, smoke cigarettes in a parking lot on a Wednesday for an hour. Speaker A: I want to smoke cigarettes with Tim all the time, but yeah, I'm not driving over there. That's different. Speaker B: If I had already gone out to dinner at Bar Di Bello before and I could just, of course, pop over, 3-minute Uber. Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, we had a party.

We helped with the— Noah had a Converse release party last night and it was across the street from my house, which is as good as it gets for location-wise. But I was still home by 9. And, and I get to— Speaker C: Jesus. Speaker A: All right, you know what, fuck this. Our, our guest is harassing us in the Zoom chat, so let's just— you know what, let's bring her little ass in here. You know, all right, Lindsay, it's your turn. Lindsay, Lindsay Jordan, uh, friend of the program, fan favorite over here at How Long Gone.

You, you might know her as Snail Mail. She's a homeowner, she's a musician, she's a homo. Uh, the new album Ricochet is in— when is it in stores? Tomorrow? Like, soon? Speaker C: Jesus. Speaker A: All right, you know what, fuck this. Our, our guest is harassing us in the Zoom chat, so let's just— you know what, let's bring her little ass in here. You know, all right, Lindsay, it's your turn. Lindsay, Lindsay Jordan, uh, friend of the program, fan favorite over here at How Long Gone. You, you might know her as Snail Mail.

She's a homeowner, she's a musician, she's a homo. Uh, the new album Ricochet is in— when is it in stores? Tomorrow? Like, soon? Speaker C: Tomorrow. Speaker A: Tomorrow in stores. Tomorrow. Okay, so you've come out of your cave, you're doing just fine. Welcome to How Long Gone. Speaker C: Thank you so much. I'm so happy to be back. I've been waiting. Speaker A: This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by our best friends at BetterHelp. Jason, we're, we're deep into May, which is, uh, Mental Health Awareness Month, and this is just a reminder that whatever you're going through, you don't have to go through it alone.

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This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's, uh, it's trying to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. Speaker A: This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian, Stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's, uh, it's trying to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world.

And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. Speaker B: A lot of questions. But how often— because we do this podcast 3 times a week, and that's a sweet spot— how many times they do? Speaker A: 3 times a week. And I, I have a feeling, just based on the platform and these talking points, that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. Speaker B: The Guardian is not some billionaire-owned platform. They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother.

Speaker A: Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in, in what, uh, journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at, uh, stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch on YouTube. It's 3 times a week. And, and who couldn't use more news, you know, especially especially when it's, when it's not, you know, from here, let's say. Give it, give it a listen. Give it a listen. Speaker C: Oh wow. Speaker A: Okay. Speaker B: Fortnite looking ho. Speaker A: We asked Lindsay to put on headphones and she's come back to the table with a gamer headset rig.

Speaker C: The Matador office. Speaker A: Okay. You're at the Matador office. These fucking nerds over there, they don't just, this is what they give you? Matador legendary indie label. One of the coolest of all time. This is what they give you? Speaker C: Well, I was like, It was this or AirPods. And I was like, I'm sure those AirPods have been like deep in my friend's ears. I was like, I'll just take these Pilot ones or whatever this is. Yeah, this— I guess maybe this is a gamer set. Speaker C: Well, I was like, It was this or AirPods.

And I was like, I'm sure those AirPods have been like deep in my friend's ears. I was like, I'll just take these Pilot ones or whatever this is. Yeah, this— I guess maybe this is a gamer set. Speaker B: Yeah. You look like you're about to refinance my mortgage. Speaker C: I feel like I am. Speaker A: I can get you in a Honda Pilot for $500 a month if we do. Speaker B: All right, just last 4 numbers of your social, we'll get you pulled up, Mr. Black. Speaker A: All right, so you're in— you're in the Big Apple.

Are you overwhelmed? Speaker C: Oh yeah, I feel horrible. I feel horrible right now. It's been, it's been a lot. It's been a lot. Speaker B: You're in Jimmy Fallon's NYC and you feel bad? How does that happen? Speaker A: Yeah, what's the problem? What's the problem? You, you're in Brooklyn, for Christ's sake. It can't be that bad. Speaker C: I know, um, uh, uh, I guess just the way that it works with like the— I, I was like helping make all the music videos firsthand, kind of. And so then it was like, since we started making the first music video, I don't even know how long ago that's been, there just hasn't even been like one day where I would like go to the movies or something, you know what I mean?

So I'm starting to like crash out and Okay, so you're— but it's nobody's fault. Speaker A: You're one of the best crash routers in the game. So I— Speaker C: thank you. Speaker A: You're famous as a crash router, but I only mentioned your homeowner status because I know that you've become a woods recluse. Speaker C: That's right. Speaker B: Yeah, Uncle Ted up in here. Speaker A: I wanted to talk about what that has looked like for you. Has it changed your social life, but also have you started buying stuff you never thought you would own kind of to fill up the garage?

Speaker C: 100%. There's also been kind of a lot of weird stuff that's come along with it. We were practicing the other day, like 2 weeks ago, and the room that we practice in is, you can see it from outside, it's in the front, it's got these big windows. We're playing and then this guy was like, you know, looking around like really, you know, and we could see him and we were like, oh, let's stop playing. He rang the doorbell and he was like, it was weird. I just watched the footage back this morning to show my girlfriend.

I was like, he was like, hey, you can hear me, be like, I know you guys play music. Didn't really want to interrupt your groove. That was the vibe. And we were like, okay. And then he was like, but there's a dead dog in your creek. Speaker C: 100%. There's also been kind of a lot of weird stuff that's come along with it. We were practicing the other day, like 2 weeks ago, and the room that we practice in is, you can see it from outside, it's in the front, it's got these big windows.

We're playing and then this guy was like, you know, looking around like really, you know, and we could see him and we were like, oh, let's stop playing. He rang the doorbell and he was like, it was weird. I just watched the footage back this morning to show my girlfriend. I was like, he was like, hey, you can hear me, be like, I know you guys play music. Didn't really want to interrupt your groove. That was the vibe. And we were like, okay. And then he was like, but there's a dead dog in your creek.

Speaker A: Oh, hell no, you got a dead dog in the creek? Speaker C: Then he's like, I would have called animal control, but all these kids are poking at it with a stick. They're all like surrounding it, and I thought burying it myself over there would be more respectful. I had like chills. You could see how I'm standing in the ring camera. I'm like And then he also said it's not the first one. He said across the street there was another dead dog found in the creek. So I'm not going to lie, like, that's the type of thing that I didn't sign up for.

Speaker B: Okay, quick, quick follow-up. How many milligrams were you on when this guy did all this? Speaker C: Definitely like 89, like 89 milligrams. Speaker A: All right, you're at 90 milligrams. You're like, all right, bro, hold on. Speaker B: You know how you own a creek? Well, there's a dead animal in it anyway. Speaker A: How does a creek— how does a creek work? Because obviously that dog could have flowed into your area and depending on weight could flow into someone else's. Yeah. Do we suspect foul play? Do we suspect foul play?

Speaker C: I suspect foul play because— so it's at the end, it's basically a drainage moat that surrounds like all the houses in the neighborhood. One side of my yard has a— not to brag, one side of my yard is fenced off, but then across the moat there's so much yard I can't afford to fence it off. So I mean, that's actually— I just like unbragged it when I said I couldn't afford to fence it all. Speaker A: How does a creek— how does a creek work? Because obviously that dog could have flowed into your area and depending on weight could flow into someone else's.

Yeah. Do we suspect foul play? Do we suspect foul play? Speaker C: I suspect foul play because— so it's at the end, it's basically a drainage moat that surrounds like all the houses in the neighborhood. One side of my yard has a— not to brag, one side of my yard is fenced off, but then across the moat there's so much yard I can't afford to fence it off. So I mean, that's actually— I just like unbragged it when I said I couldn't afford to fence it all. Speaker A: Unbragged? Speaker B: I just say it wouldn't be a wise financial decision to spend that much capital on a fencing for that much acreage that you possess.

Speaker A: Exactly. Exactly. Speaker B: We'll reframe it. Speaker C: I only build a fence because I got a dog, but my house is on a corner, so it was at like the very end of the drainage moat. So it— the fact that there's two is what kind of like— Speaker A: do we, do we think so? We think we have a dog killer roaming. Speaker C: Well, I hope he doesn't listen to this, but part of me— I don't want to make any act— I don't want to make any direct accusations because this is my neighborhood.

Speaker B: It's always the guy that knocks on the door. It's, you know, whoever you thought lit the fire. And call the cops. Speaker A: It could be, Lindsay, it could be an animal though. It could be an animal that's doing this. Speaker B: Yeah. Do you know if this dog was unhoused? Speaker C: Um, no, I don't. I, I, I, my first thought was a coyote. Um, cause there's coyotes, but my second thought was that it was weird to, it's some part of me respects the idea of respecting the dead, but that part, the dead animal, but I don't know why you couldn't let animal control take care of it because either way, I think that's, I think that's kind of what animal control is supposed to do historically based on what I I mean, you know, I'm not a roadkill master, but I know that when I've seen—

Speaker B: I'm the roadkill master. Speaker A: When I've seen roadkill, I know that somebody gets called and a guy comes through and scoops it up and takes care of it. I know it's not my job as a taxpayer. Speaker C: Right. Right. No. Speaker B: One of the easier riddles to solve in local governments. Speaker A: Also, were you like, loser, I'm going on tour. Like, I don't have time for this right now. Like, I'm fucking downtuned. Like, I need— I'm going to need 15. Speaker C: No, man. I was like shaking and I was like, please remove it.

I don't want to see. I don't want to see. I can't handle it right now. Speaker A: You don't want to see that. You don't want to see that. Speaker C: He said it didn't even look like a dog anymore. Speaker A: Oh, hell no, because it had been so bloated in the creek. Can I ask what this— what this country gentleman was wearing? Like, what was his vibe? Speaker C: Red shirt, uh, sporty athletic shorts. Honestly, I watched the footage back this morning because we were talking about this last night, and I was like, he actually doesn't have a weird vibe.

He really doesn't. Speaker B: He was actually kind of cute. Speaker A: Did he have any sort of bag with him? Speaker B: Maybe True Detective ass right now. Speaker A: Do you walk around your neighborhood with a bag? I don't. I'm just putting it out there. Speaker C: No, I don't. Wait, no, I don't. Speaker B: I would never walk with a bag, officer. Speaker A: I mean, obviously I live in New York City. Sometimes I'll have a tote bag with me under duress, but in the countryside, unless I'm hauling logs, I don't need a bag.

Speaker C: This guy has a bag, everybody. Speaker A: Stop. All right, Lindsay, you have to stop calling me gay in the chat. You have to stop calling me gay in the chat. Speaker B: She didn't call you gay. She asked if we thought you were a guy. It's a very different— Speaker A: You know what she meant, Jason. You knew exactly what she was trying to do. Speaker A: Stop. All right, Lindsay, you have to stop calling me gay in the chat. You have to stop calling me gay in the chat.

Speaker B: She didn't call you gay. She asked if we thought you were a guy. It's a very different— Speaker A: You know what she meant, Jason. You knew exactly what she was trying to do. Speaker B: She thinks we're stupid. Speaker A: She thinks these old guys are stupid. All right, so, all right, so you, you do— you're dealing with some dead vermin around the property. Speaker C: Yeah. Speaker A: Um, but you have a dog. Are you concerned with your dog's safety? Are you keeping they/them in the house or are they allowed to roam free?

Speaker C: So she has like a dog door now. Speaker A: Okay. Speaker C: That one of my neighbors kindly helped me install. Everybody there is really neighborly, which is tight, and I've never experienced anything like it in Maryland. Got to say. Speaker A: Well, they probably think you're helpless. I would assume— Speaker B: Maryland mentioned. Speaker A: This young woman has found success in the arts, but as far as other stuff goes, she might be incapable. Speaker C: Well, that is— Speaker A: Like, that's exactly right. Speaker C: That is.

They wouldn't be wrong. They wouldn't be wrong. Speaker B: But they would love nothing more than to help you out as a neighbor, which is dope. Speaker C: It's tough. It is beautiful to witness it. Kind of like where I lost my, like, ability to respect you, or like mess with— enjoy humanity. When I was in New York, I was like, wow, people really don't care about each other. Like, someone will like let a door slam in like a pregnant woman's face. Speaker A: They're Southern guys. Speaker B: Wait till you see LA.

Speaker A: There's Southern guys like me who've made out the slums. I'll hold the door for even a guy. That's how— Speaker C: yeah, but that's different. Speaker A: I'm not beating the allegations, but you're right. Speaker C: You would— okay. Speaker B: Yeah, but how hot does a guy have to be, Chris? Speaker A: They're Southern guys. Speaker B: Wait till you see LA. Speaker A: There's Southern guys like me who've made out the slums. I'll hold the door for even a guy. That's how— Speaker C: yeah, but that's different.

Speaker A: I'm not beating the allegations, but you're right. Speaker C: You would— okay. Speaker B: Yeah, but how hot does a guy have to be, Chris? Speaker C: Pretty hot. Speaker B: I hold the door open for a guy unless they're fat. Speaker A: I will say that I will hold the door for a lot of people, but it can be looks-based depending on my mood. Speaker C: Right. Speaker A: I'm not going to lie on this show. Speaker B: I respect your honesty. Speaker C: I was going to say I hold the door for people when I lived in NYC, but it doesn't— it's not the majority.

It's not the majority. Speaker A: No, no, no. It's not the majority. I would agree. I mean, it's dog eat dog, no pun intended when it comes to some situations. Speaker C: Yeah, it's doggy dog. Speaker A: It's doggy dog. All right, so you're out here in the, in the Maryland countryside, and what is the— so you've made friends with your neighbors because they're helping you, but are you helping them? Are you putting them on the guest list or anything, or what can you do? Speaker C: I'm in the North Carolina countryside.

Speaker A: Oh, you're— Speaker C: I thought you, for some reason, I left Maryland. Speaker A: Okay, I thought you were— I didn't realize that. I knew you were close-ish to North Carolina, but I didn't realize in North Carolina. Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, like in a weird part. Speaker A: Why did you— what, what made you— did you close your eyes and spin a globe? How did we land on this? Speaker C: Well, okay, Y'all know Brad, right? Speaker A: Of course. Speaker C: Yeah. He like convinced— I know someone else who he exactly convinced to go to North Carolina because it's like a good deal for real estate and like it's peaceful and it's chill and you can get a lot of land and the weather's beautiful and it's on the East Coast.

Speaker A: I'm Durham. I would live if I had any other career, I would live in Durham. I love it. Speaker C: I would. I would too. But then I wanted— when I started looking at houses in like big cities in North Carolina, I was like, what if I could afford to live in a palace on an indie man's budget? Speaker A: I'm Durham. I would live if I had any other career, I would live in Durham. I love it. Speaker C: I would. I would too. But then I wanted— when I started looking at houses in like big cities in North Carolina, I was like, what if I could afford to live in a palace on an indie man's budget?

Speaker A: Okay. Connor Oberst. Okay. How big is the house? Speaker C: It's fucking huge. Speaker A: It's all right. Speaker C: How? Speaker A: But I mean, how about what, 3 bedrooms, 4 bedrooms? Speaker B: That's cute. Speaker C: 4 bedrooms. But then there's like a room that I turn into a gym. There's a studio room. There's 2 dining rooms. There's like an outdoor balcony, like over an acre. Speaker B: Like 2 dining rooms, one for the help. Speaker C: Yeah, one for the help, one for my bandmates. Speaker B: Follow up.

Speaker A: Quick, quick follow up question. Quick follow up question. How far is it from an international airport? Speaker C: Dude, 20 minutes. It's, it's a weird place. Speaker A: Oh, hell no. Speaker C: But the town is, uh, is surrounded by a dark secret. Speaker B: Okay, I knew there was gonna be a catch, Linds. I, I gotta say. Speaker A: Okay, what have the ghosts done? What have the ghosts done in the past? Speaker C: If only it was only ghosts. Speaker A: What is it? What's the— what?

Be honest. Speaker C: I mean, I hope that this doesn't get me like taken out or anything, but the, the whole town is run by— oh crap, you know what, I don't want people to know what the exact town— it might be worth it. Speaker B: The town— Speaker C: I'm gonna blow it all up just for this. Speaker B: Well, maybe I'll bleep it. We'll bleep it. Speaker C: I think like if people hear the story, they'll know what I'm talking about. But either way, let's just say the whole town is owned by a very corrupt man, and he is the dean of the college in the town.

Speaker B: The town— Speaker C: I'm gonna blow it all up just for this. Speaker B: Well, maybe I'll bleep it. We'll bleep it. Speaker C: I think like if people hear the story, they'll know what I'm talking about. But either way, let's just say the whole town is owned by a very corrupt man, and he is the dean of the college in the town. Speaker A: Oh, okay, okay, okay. Speaker C: And maybe— oh damn, this is a crazy thing to unleash, But maybe his son accidentally killed someone in a hazing accident and he's been covering it up ever since.

Speaker A: Oh wow. So there's— there's— you're saying there's an evil undercurrent when you're down at the local watering hole or hitting the Costco? You feel it? Speaker C: And then there's my theory, which is what? That— well, um, let's just say it's furniture related. Well, damn, it's all been blown up. I mean, there's a girl who works at my grocery store who rocks with Snail Mail, and if she's on Secret Reddit, like, she's definitely letting them know. But, uh, the town only exists for an event that happens twice a year.

Speaker A: I know the town. I'm familiar with the furniture. I, as a Southerner, I know this. Speaker C: I believe it's sex trafficking related. Speaker A: Oh, okay, okay, let's— okay, now I like it. Speaker B: And there's Wayfair shit. Speaker A: Have they tried to get you or no? You're good? Speaker C: No, they don't. No, no. Speaker B: If you were to be an armoire on Wayfair, how How much money do you think you'd get? Speaker C: 25 cents for me. No, no. Speaker B: For me inside of an armoire?

I like $17,000, $18,000 for you. Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Depending on if I got to make you sing or not. You know what I mean? That obviously— Speaker C: 25 cents for me. No, no. Speaker B: For me inside of an armoire? I like $17,000, $18,000 for you. Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Depending on if I got to make you sing or not. You know what I mean? That obviously— Speaker C: I could be like an in-house singer. Speaker A: The price changes. That's actually— okay. So you found— Speaker B: I don't want you to sing, honey.

Speaker A: Did you find this? How much research did you do? Like, were you on Zillow letting it change your pillow? Like, were you really in there? Speaker C: I was trying to like— I've been— when I was looking for the house or for when— no, no. Speaker A: Yeah, did you— I'm saying, did you hire it? Did you hire a real estate agent? Did you find an indie real estate agent? Speaker C: Yes, I did actually. He played pop punk music, um, and he was— so he got the music vibes.

He was cool. I ended up going to a show with him like months and months after I moved into the house. It was cool. Speaker B: We sealed the deal at a Lagwagon concert. Speaker A: Okay, so you have a— you have a Warped Tour graduate selling you your house. Speaker C: Like, kind of. I mean, no, but, but I actually didn't do a lot of research. I had like a, a moment where I was like kind of bumming at my parents' house until I could find a place in North Carolina, and it was going on for a really long time, and I was getting really tired of it.

And I— my whole plan was to move to Greensboro, but I just couldn't find anything there where that like— I was like, wow, this is like, this is like a, a house built for like a monarch. Um, but a monarch that doesn't have that much money. And so I was like, okay, so That was my— what I ended up starting to look for, the more options I started seeing. And then I found this area that has just all this beautiful architecture for like so cheap. But I, I really didn't research the town at all.

And I now I'm doing research. I don't even think I'm going to leave. I like the— I like being in a weird place like where I can just hide in my house. Speaker B: But you like being in a trafficking hub. I get it. Speaker A: Convenience, I'm sure. Speaker B: No, no, no, no. Speaker C: That's just— no, I mean, that's just a theory that I have because that I've also asked other people who live in North Carolina, but I haven't been able to find any— find anybody else on Reddit saying exactly that.

My reason for thinking like it's 100% that is just because the market is extremely hard to get into. You can't just buy a ticket and go. You have to be like a vendor or like whatever. You have to have all these like specific types of bags. Speaker A: You gotta have paperwork and stuff. Speaker C: And it's heavily— twice a year, all these empty buildings the rest of the year. Weird. Speaker B: So this, this is a, this is a furniture trade show? Is that what it is? Speaker C: Yeah, might as well just blow it up.

Speaker A: Okay, Jason, this is a pretty known, like, people would go here if they need a couch. Like, they would, like, like, you would wait to go buy furniture at this event because it's, it's the selection is so vast. Speaker C: Wow, you have to bleep that out, motherfucker. Okay. Wow. Speaker A: Speaking of furnishings though, how many of the, in your expansive in the Snail Mail Rave Cave, how many rooms are missing furniture? Speaker C: It's the Playboy Castle. Okay, that's the Wi-Fi password. Speaker A: How many, how many rooms are unfurnished at this point?

Speaker C: I've been like really working on the rooms that weren't getting a lot of love. I would say at this point one room is pretty much completely unfurnished, and I call it— yeah, I just put like— yeah, yeah, that, that room I have plans for. Speaker A: But what is in the— what is in the gym setup? I would love to know the Snail Mail program. Speaker C: I've been like really working on the rooms that weren't getting a lot of love. I would say at this point one room is pretty much completely unfurnished, and I call it— yeah, I just put like— yeah, yeah, that, that room I have plans for.

Speaker A: But what is in the— what is in the gym setup? I would love to know the Snail Mail program. Speaker B: Dude, you got the Pilates reformer in there. Speaker A: What do you got? Speaker C: My whole vibe in there is like, I get— I love buying stuff on the TikTok shop. It's like, I, I— no, seriously, it's crazy. It like looks like it's like alien workout from the future. It's like all scam products, but it's like one wall in like mirror tiles, and then it's just like— I bought a treadmill right when I moved to North Carolina.

It's awesome. That one's not a scam. Tried and true. Trusted tread. Speaker B: First things first, we're getting the Tread-E. Yeah. Speaker C: Yes. Okay. Because I can go on there for, like, a really long time, but I hate running outside. Makes me feel like everybody's looking at me. Speaker B: They are. Speaker A: They would be if you lived in a place where people were. But I understand what you're saying. Speaker C: No, not even because I'm the snail. Just like, I feel like I don't want to, like, I don't want to be, like, exerting myself and, like, wheezing and having people drive by in cars or anything.

I just don't like being looked at while I struggle. Speaker A: Oh, see, I love that feeling. I love that feeling because when I see people running outside, it— I'm like, I should be doing that right now. No matter what I'm going to do, I'm like, this person is better than me because they're exercising right now. No matter what time of day. Speaker B: Especially if they have a better stride than yours, Chris. Speaker A: Especially if their gait is sexy. Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, well, come on. Speaker B: Get those knees up.

Speaker A: I have a pretty nice gait. I'm not Harry Styles. You know, Harry Styles released his gait this week. There was a Runner's World video of him like sprinting for that album, that magazine cover. Amazing gate on that guy. I was really— I was impressed with the stride. Okay, what can he do? Speaker B: Especially if they have a better stride than yours, Chris. Speaker A: Especially if their gait is sexy. Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, well, come on. Speaker B: Get those knees up. Speaker A: I have a pretty nice gait.

I'm not Harry Styles. You know, Harry Styles released his gait this week. There was a Runner's World video of him like sprinting for that album, that magazine cover. Amazing gate on that guy. I was really— I was impressed with the stride. Okay, what can he do? Speaker B: He's gated. Speaker C: He's kidding. Speaker A: Of course. Speaker C: All right, seriously, seriously, you're living— Speaker A: all right, so you're living in the middle of nowhere, and do you have— have you made any local friends? Speaker C: I have an entire freaking community of all of my neighbors.

I hang out with all my neighbors. Those are the only people that I see. It's awesome. Wow. Speaker A: So, okay, so you've really ingratiated yourself. Speaker B: Okay, and this is— this is IRL hanging. We're not in the Discord or anything? Speaker A: Nope. Speaker B: And you— you meant— Speaker A: you mentioned Reddit. I'm gonna go ahead and say you should get off there, no matter what you're looking at. Speaker C: Totally. I mean, I don't look at anything music related on Reddit, I will say. Speaker B: Okay, it's just conspiracy stuff.

Speaker C: It is kind of a lot of conspiracy stuff. It's a lot of like, I don't know how this got added into the mix. Speaker B: What else do you do on Reddit? Speaker C: Uh, I have a secret account on there where I talk shit on a bunch of stuff, movie related, not music. Crazy. Speaker B: Okay, okay. Speaker A: I bet. Speaker C: Uh-huh. No, no, no, I actually, I actually, I have a deep fear of getting found out doing that, so I, I am being— I can be honest with you guys.

I don't do it for music because if it got traced, I'd be really embarrassed. But if it got traced for movies, I would be like What's a girl to do? Sure, I want to get cast. Speaker A: You're like, Charlie has a Letterboxd, why can't I? Speaker C: Yeah, no, yeah, well, I don't like— I'm not my real self on Letterboxd. Like, I give it like I am, but I don't like— I don't like go hard on there. Speaker A: You're like, Charlie has a Letterboxd, why can't I? Speaker C: Yeah, no, yeah, well, I don't like— I'm not my real self on Letterboxd.

Like, I give it like I am, but I don't like— I don't like go hard on there. Speaker A: You're saying you give honest reviews, but maybe some of your more scathing language is, is saved. Speaker B: And it wouldn't be a big deal if you got busted for talking shit on like Warner Brothers Studios versus like Phoebe Bridgers, you know what I mean? Yeah. Speaker C: Nobody talked any shit on nobody. Speaker B: That was an example. That did not happen. I just made that up in my head. Speaker A: Female songstresses, you guys have a love-hate relationship with each other, and I think a lot of the friendships are fake, and I like that about it.

Speaker B: I think everybody's like podcast friends. Speaker A: Yeah, like, you think we like any other podcasters? Like, I want those losers to suffer, but we're all friends when we're at a Valentino eyewear. Speaker B: Yeah, die slow, bitch. But if I see you at the coffee shop, what up squad, how you living? Speaker A: Yeah, like, I like, I like you, but in theory I want you to fail because because I, even though I know this is not true, you're taking food out of my mouth. Speaker B: Adrian Lenker taking money out of your family's pocket.

Speaker C: I don't know about it. Speaker B: That's a new, that's a new flat screen in the, in the fourth bedroom, bro. Speaker A: Yeah, you need to fit, you need a fifth bedroom. I swear to God, these keep putting albums out. I'm suffering. No, I mean, that's how we— that really is how we feel. I'm not kidding. I have a— I talk about this with, with my friends and my therapist that I I'm like, I know that these people are completely unrelated to me, but they do the same thing sort of, and I want to see them suffer.

Speaker B: Why do I want my friends and peers to become destitute members of society? Speaker A: I just— it's not even— it's not a— no one wins in the arts. Not comparing podcasting to music, obviously, because music is actually art. Podcasting is merely talking. Speaker B: But it's a trend. Speaker A: I just— I think that a lot of people that do anything like we do for a living do have these irrational thoughts, and it's— it is to be examined if you want to succeed in life. Speaker C: Of all the things you said, I think I do agree that I think a lot of people's like female friendships in music are not real.

Yeah. And I think like it's not worth it to like chase female friendships so that you can post them. Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Speaker C: But I do think I agree. Speaker A: That's why I don't hang out with any chicks. Hell no. Speaker C: Well, that's what I'm saying. Speaker A: So you don't hang out with no chicks? You're like, it's me. Speaker C: Yeah, no chicks, no chicks. Just guys. Speaker A: Just guys. Speaker C: No, no, no. Speaker B: You guys, I think there's some chicks that you might, you know, like Sophie Thatcher, you know.

Let me get the pic real quick for the close friends. Speaker C: Are y'all good? Are you guys all right? Speaker A: No, obviously we're not all right. We've never been all right. Um, do you have any chicks in your band or is it all fellas? Speaker C: Yeah, there's a chick in the band now. Her name is Isadora. She's tight. She's playing cello and guitar and vocals. Speaker A: Damn, cello. Yeah, this album, you really went— you know what, you really went— you went— there's hella instruments on this joint.

Speaker C: Hella instruments, um, played really elegantly and I think like arranged in a sophisticated way. That's like, I was like coming up with the melodies of the strings and stuff, but like then there was a guy being like, okay, Mark Ronson, calm down. Speaker C: Hella instruments, um, played really elegantly and I think like arranged in a sophisticated way. That's like, I was like coming up with the melodies of the strings and stuff, but like then there was a guy being like, okay, Mark Ronson, calm down. Speaker A: I didn't know you were in the studio like that.

Speaker C: I am Mark Ronson. Speaker B: John Bryan ass over here. Speaker C: The king of uptown funk. Speaker A: And then everybody get up. Speaker C: Everybody get up. That's Robin Thicke. That's Robin Thicke. Everybody get up. Speaker B: You are a singer. Speaker A: You're in the lab. You got that one. You're in the lab with the orchestra, like on once on your little Thom Yorke shit. Speaker C: Yeah, no, I'm like, I, I have like a Mellotron keyboard and, and you can use it to like blend instruments, you know?

And so I'm like, I'm making fake string arrangements and then there was like somebody helping me make them like actually be like, like add some tension. Like, I, I don't know anything about that. I could never like stand in front of a group of like of an orchestra and be like, uh, how about you try it a little more like this? Speaker A: No, we need the video. We need the video of you with the children's choir. That's one of my favorite, when you see the producer with the children's choir.

Speaker C: That is like instant chills for sure. Speaker A: Classic. No, because when I, when I first heard this, I was like, damn, there's hella instruments on this. And then one of the songs, I was like, this— I can't remember which one, maybe it was the first single— I was like, sometimes this makes me feel like it's a, um, sort of like a graduation ballad. Like, the, the strings were so dramatic, it was giving Time of Your Life, the Green Day, you know, the instant chills, the classic Green Day graduation song for someone that's 43, obviously not, not for everybody.

Speaker C: Turning point, a fork stuck in the road. Speaker A: Exactly, exactly. Speaker B: I was like, damn, don't start now, girl, don't start. Speaker A: She really, she really went for it. Yeah, Jason's gonna get choked up. But did you— what took you? Was it because you had this mallet, you were like, let me, I'm just gonna play with this shit, or was this always the idea? Speaker C: This was the plan, this is the plan. I just like, like, it feels like I could have done the same thing on like a just a piano, but it's nice to just actually just like hear, pretend like you can hear strings, you know, because there's a pretty, there's some pretty realistic cello on that thing.

Um, but I come up with a lot of stuff, like I come up with a lot of vocal melodies and stuff, like pretending to play a violin on there, because I'm like, okay, what tone right now is not gonna irritate me? And sometimes that helps me come up with like string stuff, because I'm like, okay, if I made the vocal melody out of a violin, I'm sure like I could capture a better feeling right now than like trying to sing it in my head that I, you know, over and over again, whatever.

Speaker A: Well, because you took your sweet fucking time, so I guess you were just playing violin in your head for months out there, just going I just gotta say, fuck you guys. Speaker C: I just wanted to say that. Speaker A: I would tap in with Katie and Brad. I'd be like, what's up? What's up with Snail? Where's the music? They're like, I— we don't know where this— this— Speaker B: let— Speaker A: we let go and let God. So what were you doing? Speaker C: Uh, touring, son of a bitch.

And writing. And writing. You know how long it takes me? It takes me really long. And that's why it's good. That's why it's good. Speaker B: Hell yeah. Speaker A: Like, some of these motherfuckers crank it out. Speaker C: And those two are real quiet now. And what do you think? It's obviously gonna be— I'm, I'm taking my time to make an instant classic. And you know what? You know what you guys are doing right now? You're echoing the big capitalism of the music industry thing that's coming in right now where everybody—

Speaker C: Uh, touring, son of a bitch. And writing. And writing. You know how long it takes me? It takes me really long. And that's why it's good. That's why it's good. Speaker B: Hell yeah. Speaker A: Like, some of these motherfuckers crank it out. Speaker C: And those two are real quiet now. And what do you think? It's obviously gonna be— I'm, I'm taking my time to make an instant classic. And you know what? You know what you guys are doing right now? You're echoing the big capitalism of the music industry thing that's coming in right now where everybody— Speaker A: my haters are real quiet right now.

Speaker C: And, and then you guys are like, I love Keith. Speaker A: All right, so you feel justified? You feel justified in your little 5 years? You said, I earned this shit. Speaker C: Yeah. No, I mean, we toured really hard, but we were giving the public like 3 years of touring during that. You know what I mean? Speaker A: I know, I know. Speaker B: Instagram followers were eating the whole time too. Speaker C: Oh, they were tanking. Speaker B: I think it's a normal amount of time. And I think because you made this amazing record with a lot of thought put into it, string arrangements, all stuff, it's a perfect amount of time.

Also, you're very young. You're opening in a home. Speaker A: She ain't that young anymore. She ain't that young anymore, Jason. Speaker C: No, that's true. I rarely get ID'd anymore. What? She started popping. Speaker A: She was really young, but you got to remember, time has passed, TJ. That's the thing, she ain't 18 anymore. Speaker C: The thing is, you can't— you guys can't see it through the screen, but up close my skin looks old. Speaker B: I may be giving, uh, 14 to 17 on Zoom, but see me IRL, I look very old.

Speaker C: The thing is, you can't— you guys can't see it through the screen, but up close my skin looks old. Speaker B: I may be giving, uh, 14 to 17 on Zoom, but see me IRL, I look very old. Speaker A: Are you feeling old? How does your— how's your body holding up? Speaker C: Awful. I feel— I think everybody who's been touring in Spamalot the whole time is like creaky and and sad and jaded and angry. And like, we were like, we're— when we all get together, none of us barely— we don't even really talk.

Seeing it from like a, another person's perspective, like the new bandmates coming in, like, I'm sure it's like— Speaker A: oh, so we did some replacements or just additions? Speaker C: Uh, there's an addition, but the— our guitar player who joined us on the Dinosaur Jr. tour and now is like with us again, he was our guitar player in 2017, like one of my best friends in high school. And then he wanted to go to college, so I was like, go to college then. And then we had like all these— we we just had a bunch of guitar players already until we were finally like needed one, and then we were like, obviously it's you, friend, but like just make sure you, uh, make sure you want to do this.

Speaker A: Did this— hold on, did homeboy get a degree? Speaker C: Yeah. Speaker A: In what? I don't know exactly. Speaker B: Guitar. Speaker A: Okay, so he's back on the road. Oh, it's okay, so it's a pointless degree but it makes him feel good. I get that, I get that, right? Sure. You know, did you finish high school? Speaker C: Yeah. Oh yeah. But like barely. Well, because I was already kind of like, I missed like an unholy amount of days and the principal definitely just thought it was cool.

So he let me graduate for sure. Yeah, I wasn't failing, but I definitely exceeded by far the amount of days that you're allowed to miss and still graduate. Speaker C: Yeah. Oh yeah. But like barely. Well, because I was already kind of like, I missed like an unholy amount of days and the principal definitely just thought it was cool. So he let me graduate for sure. Yeah, I wasn't failing, but I definitely exceeded by far the amount of days that you're allowed to miss and still graduate. Speaker A: Okay. And I just, I just want to be clear, during this 30 minutes we've been on the phone, you're drinking a coffee, you have a vape and a Red Bull.

Speaker C: Yes. Well, this is weed. Speaker A: That's weed. Speaker C: Yeah. Speaker A: Okay, so the thing with that, this is, if talking about aging, some of the things you're doing now, the combinations at this, at this clip that you're going, it could— Speaker C: you know what's lame about you guys? Speaker A: Uh, please. Speaker C: You guys get to like a certain point where it's like all about health and like wellness, and then all of a sudden like you just forget what it was like to have fun, and then you guys are getting in everybody's ass about like exercise and like— Speaker A: no, I've never had fun.

I want to be very clear, I've never had fun, even when I was a drug addict. Even now, I've I've never had fun. Speaker B: And also don't say you guys, I get high every day, baby. Speaker C: I'm chill. Speaker A: That's my boy. Speaker C: That's my friend. Speaker A: He doesn't make it look as manic as you do, but he tries. Speaker C: That's awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. That's great. Speaker B: We're all God's creatures, man. Bathing in his light. Speaker C: This is one of the best conversations of my life.

Speaker B: Goddamn right. Actually, speaking of musical instruments, I saw somebody tweeted a Reddit question and I decided to save it for you. It's from the r/AskReddit. Transgender, and the question that it asks is, why do all— why do you all have Jazzmasters or Jaguars? I just noticed when I see a guitar in the background of a trans woman's picture, it's always a Jazzmaster or a Jaguar. Speaker B: Goddamn right. Actually, speaking of musical instruments, I saw somebody tweeted a Reddit question and I decided to save it for you. It's from the r/AskReddit.

Transgender, and the question that it asks is, why do all— why do you all have Jazzmasters or Jaguars? I just noticed when I see a guitar in the background of a trans woman's picture, it's always a Jazzmaster or a Jaguar. Speaker A: You better speak for your community. Speaker C: Um, I'm not transgender. Speaker B: I know you're not, but I feel like you're near and dear to the Jazzmaster space, you know, North Carolina. Speaker A: Yeah, you're more representative of the guitar styles in this, in this example. I think it's real, like, gen— Speaker C: I think it's like the Gen Z guitar.

Yeah, like, I didn't realize that. And who's to know if I maybe even influenced it a little? Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, a big reason why I brought it up on your episode and not Adam Goldberg's. Speaker A: Okay, so you, you are— what are you playing right now and what color is it? Speaker C: Pink. Pink Stratocaster. I got a pink Stratocaster. Speaker B: You got the JoJo Siwa Squier? Speaker C: Oh yeah. Oh dude, you guys see that? Speaker B: JoJo, yo, two thumbs all the way up. Speaker A: It's too fucking— Speaker B: this shit ain't made in Mexico, twin.

This is America, baby. Speaker A: It's so cool that she's dating a regular guy now. Speaker C: I've— Speaker A: watching the JoJo journey has been empowering for all of us. Speaker C: I know. I hope she finds herself in a happy, peaceful place. Speaker A: Well, do you think— do you think— now I know you got to get some resentment for the fake munchers, so are you— are you throwing that at JoJo, or are you happy for her? Speaker B: this shit ain't made in Mexico, twin. This is America, baby.

Speaker A: It's so cool that she's dating a regular guy now. Speaker C: I've— Speaker A: watching the JoJo journey has been empowering for all of us. Speaker C: I know. I hope she finds herself in a happy, peaceful place. Speaker A: Well, do you think— do you think— now I know you got to get some resentment for the fake munchers, so are you— are you throwing that at JoJo, or are you happy for her? Speaker C: Be honest with me. No, no, no, no, I actually don't think she's a fake muncher.

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Red Bull gives you wings. Visit com/brightsummerahead to learn more. See you this summer. Speaker B: r/fakemunchers, if it doesn't exist, let's create it now. Speaker C: People are all saying it again. People now, people are really— Speaker A: people are saying what? I don't know this. I don't know this about you. Speaker C: People are all just saying the same stuff, and I wasn't talking about anyone. I was talking about queer baiting. And I'm like, that little is low-key just like— Speaker A: you tell me, actually, I would love to know, can you give me an example of a female queerbaiter?

Because that's something we get called a lot here. That's what— Speaker C: you guys are female queerbaiters? Speaker A: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, we're male. We're only— Speaker B: yeah, we're queerbaiters who like females. Speaker A: What? Yeah, we're queerbaiters who like females. Good point, Jason, that's a big distinction to make. I'm trying to think of that because like when we think of queerbaiters, I think I can think of plenty of actors. Speaker B: Billie Eilish is a, is a female queerbaiter. Speaker A: Oh, Billie Eilish. Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker C: It's really young though, so I'm not sure, like maybe I I don't think we should call her that. Speaker B: Okay, what's the age break-off to where you lose your queerbaiting community? Speaker A: That's a good question. Speaker C: Well, I feel like she's not doing it as much anymore, right? Like, that's— Speaker A: Oh, Billie Eilish. Yeah, that's a good point. Speaker C: It's really young though, so I'm not sure, like maybe I I don't think we should call her that. Speaker B: Okay, what's the age break-off to where you lose your queerbaiting community?

Speaker A: That's a good question. Speaker C: Well, I feel like she's not doing it as much anymore, right? Like, that's— Speaker A: No, she's got a man. She's got a man. Speaker C: But she's not like, "I could eat that girl for lunch" anymore. She's not saying that anymore. She's not like putting stuff out like that anymore. Maybe she was like eating girls for lunch at that time. I don't know. She, I have infinite patience for. Speaker A: I'm like, "Let's see." Well, you know what happens with these celebrity types, you know, they're sucking blood behind the scenes.

We don't know what they're doing. Speaker C: Oh yeah, adrenochrome, sexually, I— Speaker A: drug-wise. I don't know what these people are doing. I don't know who they're— I don't know which Satan they're worshiping in Hollywood, you know. Speaker B: That's— it's a ball. Speaker C: There's— it's Baal, two A's. Speaker B: We all know about Baal, the demon underlord. Speaker C: Yeah. Speaker A: Imagine if you lived in Hollywood, you'd be fucked up, boy. Oh my God. Imagine, imagine you on the wild in Silver Lake. Oh my goodness, I don't think I would ever do that.

Speaker C: I, I hate being there. It makes me feel crazy. Speaker A: I don't trust you on the road either. Speaker C: I'm okay, but I don't trust myself on the road there. I was gonna say, I, uh, I think there's like a type of like girl in New York that when I try to be friends with her, it's like she doesn't— she's not nice to me, you know what I mean? Like, or nice to me. I think I could like be— understand how to like talk to like a, like a popular, well-adjusted girl here, but the popular girls of LA, like, I really like— I'm like, wow, I, I can't really— I can't hang with y'all.

I can't even— I feel like I'm— I feel even weirder when I'm there. I'm like, oof, I don't have the skills for like this hang. Speaker A: So you're saying you can't catch up with your girlfriend over a matcha and an IV drip? That isn't— that's not the life that you— Speaker B: I don't have the skills for this hang is very well put. Because it's not like you guys are dumb or you guys are— it's just like a different skill set of how people talk here. Speaker C: It's, yeah, it's like girls that are mean there just like, uh, take to me even less kindly than girls who are mean here.

Yeah, but sometimes here I think I have a little like weird girl charm just to be like, any new friends? Any takers? And then like when I'm in LA, I'm like, I feel like I like look like I have like shit all over my pants the way that people act around me. I look like I stink and I and I'm doing something offensive. Speaker B: I'm like naked on the street being like, "Talk to me, talk to me." People look at you like the guy who's trying to squeegee your window at a red light, and you're just trying to go get a matcha.

Speaker C: Like, "No thanks, I don't have anything." "I don't have any change, lady. Speaker B: I'm sorry, I'm sorry." "No, I'm sorry, I don't have anything." "Oh, did you wet yourself again, young lady?" "Yes, I did. Speaker A: I'm so sorry." Also, since we've last talked to you, you've been in a pretty serious relationship for a little while. Speaker C: That's right. Speaker A: Obviously we're big fans. Um, but I just, you know, two rockers, is it— does it get competitive? Speaker C: Not at all, which is actually pretty cool.

I mean, Ita is like really like a person that I think is genuinely like spiritual. Like, the human stuff is a level above, like, the being good to people stuff is like a level above anybody else I've ever met. Like, there's no jealousy, it's like only support. It's insane. And I mean that. I can like see— it's been 3 years There's not even like, there's not even a hint of weirdness. And then I'm like, you know, I am so happy to be associated with Mama at all. I got obsessed with that band and then I was like, wait, anytime.

I don't know, I love to see them soar. Speaker A: Now I love this. I love, I love Mama. I think they're great. Speaker C: And I think it's fucking sick. Speaker B: For listeners at home, Mama is the name of a band. When you said that, you weren't just talking about I love Mama like your mother. Speaker A: Mama. Speaker C: I love my mama. I like Mama. Mama. Um, no, they're— yeah, so I don't know, we're like all, all the bands, we're all friends with all the members amongst each other.

Speaker A: Like, because you're a lot, you're a lot to deal with, so I'm, I'm, I'm proud. Speaker C: Take a look in the camera of your own camera, dude. Take a look in the camera of your own camera. Speaker A: Oh, hey, look, I trust you. My wife tells me I'm a lot to deal with every fucking day. There's no— Speaker C: I am. It takes an insane skill set to be my girlfriend, I think. I think you got to be like real patient and real willing to Navy SEAL level shit.

Speaker A: Yeah, this is— Speaker B: yeah, to be, to be boot up with them. Speaker A: They train for this. Speaker C: I'm not going to hide that I'm crazy. Speaker A: Well, you couldn't if you wanted to. So that's part of the charm. That's part of the charm. Speaker C: That's right. But it's not like, you know, the way that I'm crazy is, is like it's— we don't fight really or anything. It's more like me just like being crazy and her being like really good at dealing with crazy people.

Speaker A: Yeah, that's it. I mean, that's necessary. Speaker B: Your craziness is about as endearing as it gets, though, you know what I mean? Who can really be mad at you? Speaker A: Oh, thank you. Hey, hold on, Jason. We haven't seen behind closed doors. I would— Speaker C: yo, yo, wait, wait. You know what though? You know what you can, you can take a look at? How my staff has been the exact same the whole time I've been playing. Speaker A: Oh, you call them your staff? That makes it— yeah, I see.

Speaker C: Well, wait, what do I say? Speaker A: Like, your team. Speaker C: yo, yo, wait, wait. You know what though? You know what you can, you can take a look at? How my staff has been the exact same the whole time I've been playing. Speaker A: Oh, you call them your staff? That makes it— yeah, I see. Speaker C: Well, wait, what do I say? Speaker A: Like, your team. Speaker C: Oh, my team. Sorry. Speaker A: Are you talking about your security? All right, so you're— you got 2 security, you've got your personal assistant.

Speaker C: I'm thinking bandmates, I'm thinking crew, I'm thinking like everybody who like consistently works with me. TMs, guitar techs, Drive or find real dirt because there ain't any, because I'm awesome and nice to be around. Speaker B: No results found. Sorry. Speaker C: That's why it's a bit— who else is in an indie band with all their friends from high school and everybody's in great— still in a great place and we're all still having fun? Speaker B: It's just you and Geese, basically. That's it, right? Speaker C: Yeah. Speaker A: They're having too much fun, those little freaks.

Speaker C: Are they? Speaker A: I mean, it seems like— I, I think that there's— and this happened to you a little bit, but I think because the internet's gotten so crazy, I just think that the, the breakneck ascent to the top in like a month is not good for anybody. I don't know how any— I— that just seems very challenging, especially when it's like memes are half of it, kind of. Speaker B: Yeah, but, but, but try this on for size. What I think— the fact that they have had that quick rise, but they didn't— it's not because they had a breakout single.

I think just them overall has risen to success, and everyone's like, I gotta see this band. But they didn't have I'm somber or I'm role model or I'm, you know, whatever. And I've got the big song that they play on the radio. Speaker A: Actually, great question, Jason. All right, Lindsay, gun to head, you gotta, you gotta do a co-write collab. Somber or role model? Um, I'm, I'm a role head. Like I'm on record as a role head. Speaker B: Who's going to be more of a munch though? Speaker C: You know, I think role model would be more.

Speaker B: Yeah. Speaker A: Okay. What do you think of Dakota Johnson? She's bad, right? Speaker B: Role model's a real eater. Speaker C: Oh, she's so beautiful. She's so beautiful. I saw her one time at something, and I feel like I was like mouth breathing really close to her face. She was talking about the Suspiria remake, which is one of my favorite movies of all time, one of my few like specific interests that I have, you know what I mean? Uh, and then I feel like she didn't know that I was trying to be part of the conversation, one of those standing like 3 feet, or maybe like 2 feet behind her, like breathing on her neck, like— Speaker A: that's how Role Model pulled her too.

That— I think that's— I think that's how Roll pulled her. Speaker C: Yeah, Roll's like, I like movies too, I freaked it at her by accident, but you know, she's so beautiful and talented. Speaker B: Who could blame you? Speaker C: Yeah, I think she's amazing. Speaker B: Who wouldn't freak it around her? We all love her. Speaker A: I like— you— all right, look, Roll or Somber, gun to head. Speaker C: I will say, to me, it's the person— whoever writes Role Model songs for him is trying to make it sound like MJ Lenderman, and it's not close.

It's not even close. Speaker A: I don't think it sounds like that at all, actually. Speaker C: I think it's like trying to take advantage of the alt country thing. Speaker A: I think— well, I think that's probably real, but I'm okay with that because that's the kind of music I like, and I would rather music sound like that than the other stuff. Speaker B: Okay. Okay. Speaker A: What about, okay. Speaker B: Next round. D'Jo or Bleachers. Speaker C: Bleachers. Speaker A: I think— well, I think that's probably real, but I'm okay with that because that's the kind of music I like, and I would rather music sound like that than the other stuff.

Speaker B: Okay. Okay. Speaker A: What about, okay. Speaker B: Next round. D'Jo or Bleachers. Speaker C: Bleachers. Speaker A: Oh, hell no. Get the fuck out of here. You're not rolling with my boy D'Jo. Speaker C: I don't like when actors become musicians, but I like, I think it's okay when musicians become actors. I'm just saying. Speaker A: Your ass had your little A24. Hey, shut the fuck up. Speaker C: I'm still trying to do more stuff. I think that, no, no, no, no, no. It's way harder to become a musician based on pure merit.

It's way harder. Speaker B: I agree. Yeah, Keanu's been trying for 30 years. He's been in the fucking Keanu asylum. Speaker C: That's what I'm saying. Like, you can get famous from being an actor, for being like Keanu asylum, for anything, but you can't get straight— you can't straight up like make waves in the world without a leg up if your songs are bad. So I'm just like, becoming a musician is way harder. Speaker B: Like, Heated Rivalry is a bad show, but they're still— Speaker C: I, I liked it.

Speaker B: A-list stars. Speaker A: Of course you did. You have to. It's part of— it's, it's different. Speaker B: You go, okay, gay people like that shit. Speaker A: I, I think D'Jouze this song is a smash, but I also have never watched any— I've never seen him act in anything. That, that's my problem. Sometimes I miss things completely, so I don't even really think of him as— as— I've never seen Stranger Things. I'm an adult. Speaker C: Yeah, I've seen one season of Stranger Things. He seems like a great actor.

I don't know, I just don't— I have like a great actor— Speaker B: keep him out of the booth is what you're saying though. Speaker C: Well, I don't know, I don't know. Some part of me, just when I see an actor get band fame and then they're like, okay, now I'm a band person, I— well, I don't know, dude. We have the same PR person. What are we doing right now? What are we talking about? Speaker B: keep him out of the booth is what you're saying though. Speaker C: Well, I don't know, I don't know.

Some part of me, just when I see an actor get band fame and then they're like, okay, now I'm a band person, I— well, I don't know, dude. We have the same PR person. What are we doing right now? What are we talking about? Speaker B: Well, it's cool. Speaker A: You know, the one thing about him that is, is interesting is that he basically paid for it and did it all himself with the money from acting, which I have to say is, is not where a lot of people would put their— Speaker C: that's a lot of money.

Speaker B: He pulled $30 grand out of his $30 million and got some studio time. That's crazy. Speaker A: Still, bro, I mean, I don't like— I'd rather you do that than become a Leica photographer or a fucking, you know, real estate investor. Speaker C: Yeah, but how famous can You— how far can you take that? I mean, don't we have enough— whatever. I'm not even— Speaker A: my, my, I'm— my guess is, and this is probably true about a lot of people, they wanted to be a musician originally. The acting thing sort of happened, and it, and it becomes your whole life, and then you're sort of like, well, this is what I actually want to do, so I might as well try it now that I have eyeballs.

Speaker C: But that's doing it the easy way is all I'm saying. Speaker A: Oh, okay, you want to talk about the easy way? Let's talk about Chappelle Roan's granddad then. How much time you got? Speaker C: You know what I mean? Oh, I just saw that. Speaker A: I I completely agree. Speaker C: I think she writes them with him. Speaker A: Yeah, and I write your songs with you too. I mean, you know, it's how it goes. Speaker C: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker A: I don't think, I don't think being upper middle class and a successful musician should be— I don't think you should be vilified for that because I know you didn't get out the mud.

You're not from the streets. Speaker C: We are not from money. Speaker A: I'm not saying money. I'm not saying money. Speaker A: I don't think, I don't think being upper middle class and a successful musician should be— I don't think you should be vilified for that because I know you didn't get out the mud. You're not from the streets. Speaker C: We are not from money. Speaker A: I'm not saying money. I'm not saying money. Speaker C: I'm saying that we're middle class. Speaker A: I'm saying what people think is rich now is very skewed, and they want their musicians to be like homeless.

Speaker B: So your family's airport is like small like single-engine planes all day. Speaker C: No, man, my mom owns a small business. That's the lingerie store. You don't know this? Speaker B: I did not know that. Speaker A: Your mom owns a lingerie store? No wonder you turned out to be a hoe. Speaker C: That's crazy, right? I know, right? From day one. Speaker B: Does it have a clever name? Speaker C: Oh yeah, come on, Bra La La. Speaker A: That is actually— that is actually very sick. Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, I guess I don't— it doesn't come up that much, but people, uh— Speaker A: wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Is your mom low-key a baddie though? Speaker C: My mom's beautiful. Speaker A: I had a feeling, right? You can't be— you can't be an uggo and open a lingerie store. Ain't nobody buying. Speaker C: No, my mom is an amazing woman. Speaker A: Is your dad in the picture? Speaker C: Yeah, my dad's in the picture. He's an awesome, awesome guy. Speaker A: Are they married though? Speaker C: Oh yeah, beautiful. Speaker A: Oh, so you come from a two-parent home. That's privilege. Yeah, privilege. I found it. Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, we actually like just— it's the fact, you know, I never— I bought my guitars with money I worked for from my jobs. Speaker A: All right, what, what are— what— all right, what's the— what's Snail's first job? Job? Speaker C: Meriwether Post Pavilion. I worked as a, um, as an event staff person for like 3 years. Like, so checking bags, like standing at gates and being like— Speaker A: but you got to see that, you got to see the show. Speaker A: All right, what, what are— what— all right, what's the— what's Snail's first job?

Job? Speaker C: Meriwether Post Pavilion. I worked as a, um, as an event staff person for like 3 years. Like, so checking bags, like standing at gates and being like— Speaker A: but you got to see that, you got to see the show. Speaker C: Well, I got to have my back to the show and I got to see like fish and stuff, you know. Like, it was a great job. Everybody in high school wanted it. Speaker B: That's a good— how many drugs did you confiscate? Speaker C: I very rarely— it's crazy.

I was there for a minute. I worked some really crazy events. I very rarely ever found anything in anyone's bag. Someone next to me would be like, no machetes, and like take it out of a bag. I've witnessed crazy stuff get pulled out of people's bag. I— the craziest thing I think I ever saw was like someone's big jar of homemade sangria, and, and then I was like, you can't, I'm sorry, and they like threw it on the ground, and I was like, oh, homemade sangria. Speaker B: Oh yeah, I bought a big jar of homemade sangria.

Speaker C: Well, that's what it seemed to be. Speaker A: Uh, yeah, no, no, sure. Speaker C: Then I worked at, um, I worked at a— I worked like a seasonal job at Music and Arts, like helping people, helping like people fill out the paperwork for instrument rental season. Speaker B: Damn, you only had cool PBS indie cute jobs. This is nice. Speaker A: Yeah, this is, this is my parents have an NPR sticker on the back of the Cadillac. Speaker C: No, you guys are misinterpreting. You guys are misinterpreting what happened.

Well, that's the worst thing people do, actually think we're nepo, and it's just because we suck. No, no, no, no, just Because we, we worked so— I think we were the last true DIY band. Speaker A: Hey, let's not talk about The Help like that. Speaker C: I don't think DIY exists anymore like that. I don't think you can get anywhere with it unless you use the algorithm like to your advantage. Speaker A: Oh, I don't think you can just put out music that's good and get in a van and it's gonna work out.

I, I— Speaker C: not anymore. Speaker A: No, I agree with you. I think that's completely a lost art, and that's why nobody wants to tour anymore. Speaker C: But we booked our first like DIY tour, like we had like we took my dad's like Nissan and literally like all of the shows we played were like at people's houses and like at like the grossest places you've ever been. And then we slept on punk floors for so many years. Speaker A: How old were you? Speaker C: 16, 15? Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker C: But it was like truly a rise from people just being like, this rocks. So then I got to brag about it when it comes around. Speaker B: No, no, I, I— Speaker A: you earned the brag. I guess though I feel like you're a little bit of a prodigy which is— helps you in general. Speaker C: Thanks. Speaker A: You know, I just think that there's— because I know a lot of people who did that exact same thing and we ain't heard from them ever again. Speaker C: Well, no, it's because my— it's because I'm good at writing songs.

I've been working on that for my whole life, you know. Speaker A: I'm saying I think you knew at an early age is what I'm trying to say. Speaker C: I did, I did. But yeah, but I feel like a lot of it is just like getting out there and trying, or it used to be. Speaker B: Yeah, because you see videos of like kids' little bedroom punk bands bands, and their parents will hire like a social media team to come over and film their band practice with a drone, and that shit looks like it's, you know, good enough for MTV.

Speaker C: I'm saying, not a single connection before we already were like killing it, you know what I mean? Speaker A: No, I, I know, I know all of that. I, I think it's funny that I just think that the, the sort of goalposts constantly move now on what's acceptable and what's not. And to me, it's more like, how good are the songs? That's all I really— I don't care if your grandmother is a Rothschild. If the songs are good, the songs are good. Speaker C: I'm saying, not a single connection before we already were like killing it, you know what I mean?

Speaker A: No, I, I know, I know all of that. I, I think it's funny that I just think that the, the sort of goalposts constantly move now on what's acceptable and what's not. And to me, it's more like, how good are the songs? That's all I really— I don't care if your grandmother is a Rothschild. If the songs are good, the songs are good. Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, I guess I don't really either. Like, I love Chapel Roan, I gotta say. Speaker A: I love Chapel Roan too. I wish she wasn't so mean to my paparazzi homies, but her music is good.

Speaker C: Paparazzi homies? Speaker A: No, that's a joke, that's a joke, that's a joke. Speaker C: I believed you though. Speaker A: I would. I have homies everywhere. I'm an equal opportunity homie employer. Yeah, I got them everywhere. Speaker C: Doesn't sound like a guy with a lot of homies to me. Speaker B: Does ACAB cover paparazzi too? Speaker A: Okay, fine, I'm a homie hopper. You're not a homie. Speaker C: That's not what that— you know that's not what that means, right? Or am I behind on the joke?

Speaker A: No, no, no, that was— that was a joke on my part. I do know what homie hopper means. I know homie hopper means— yeah, right. Yeah. Oh God, how much— all right, so you're in New York. Are you doing— are you playing something? Speaker C: Uh, well, we did Fallon, and now I'm just like in— they got me locked in my cage doing my press till, till, um, till I go home. Did you— did you do— Speaker A: what'd you do? I saw the Allen, I saw a clip.

You didn't get to go play Twister with him or anything, or do a shot of Jameson in a line. You just had to— Speaker B: no, she did. She went ice skating. Speaker C: Yeah, well, that wasn't— I just, I wanted to do that. Speaker A: That was promo. Speaker A: what'd you do? I saw the Allen, I saw a clip. You didn't get to go play Twister with him or anything, or do a shot of Jameson in a line. You just had to— Speaker B: no, she did. She went ice skating.

Speaker C: Yeah, well, that wasn't— I just, I wanted to do that. Speaker A: That was promo. Speaker B: I was just solo. I was gonna say you had nice moves. Speaker C: Thank you. Yeah, I played hockey for so long. Speaker A: Oh damn, you are gay. Speaker B: You were confident on the ice. Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, it was like my— I loved hockey so much. I wish that I had more excuses to get on ice as an adult. It had been like 4 years. Speaker B: Was that like a little Alyssa Lew, like, bat signal?

Just like letting her know you got— yeah, you can do a little turn. Speaker C: Yeah, like a little shake in my voice. Yeah, well, it's kind of crazy that hockey is just like— like ice skating and hockey are like the cool thing now. Because to be honest, when I was in like 6th grade and I used to go to like— I used to go to like the Friday night skate and it was always like right after my hockey practice. And I used to like stink like shit. And, and all the— and, and many times people were like, are you a boy or a girl?

But now look, it's It's like, now look, it's like everybody's like, the ice is so sexy. I'm like, okay, I— Speaker A: for the record, I don't think it is. Speaker C: See if you still feel that way when I get— Speaker B: well, when you come out with your goalie pads, smell my Bauer pads, and then come talk to me about your nasty Bauers. Speaker C: Yeah, though. Oh, those are like in the other room right now. They stink like shit. Speaker A: You didn't play— Speaker C: you didn't play— Speaker A: you weren't a goalie at least, though, I hope.

Speaker C: No, I was left wing. Speaker A: Okay, so you were in it. You were on the attack. Speaker B: She's gay. She's not that gay. Speaker C: Yeah, I'm not defense or goalie. Speaker B: I'm not a defense guy. Speaker C: Well, you know what was crazy about being like a— I played, I played on boys teams like my entire life, and but this one summer I went to this like all-girls Dartmouth, or like it was like a, yeah, hockey camp there. And all the girls there were like so outwardly homophobic seeming but so clearly gay.

It was really crazy to be around. Speaker A: You didn't play— Speaker C: you didn't play— Speaker A: you weren't a goalie at least, though, I hope. Speaker C: No, I was left wing. Speaker A: Okay, so you were in it. You were on the attack. Speaker B: She's gay. She's not that gay. Speaker C: Yeah, I'm not defense or goalie. Speaker B: I'm not a defense guy. Speaker C: Well, you know what was crazy about being like a— I played, I played on boys teams like my entire life, and but this one summer I went to this like all-girls Dartmouth, or like it was like a, yeah, hockey camp there.

And all the girls there were like so outwardly homophobic seeming but so clearly gay. It was really crazy to be around. Speaker A: Like, did you hook up? Did you hook up though? Speaker C: No, no, no, no. I feel like I was like 12, but it was like all the girls there were like, my bad. Speaker A: Hey, I didn't know. I didn't know. Hey, my bad. I didn't know. I don't do no gay shit, bro. Speaker C: I don't I— Speaker A: my bad. Speaker B: That's unless you want to.

Speaker A: That's my B. That's my B. I said I lost my set. Speaker B: You look like the meme of the guy where he hears bad news and then rips his headphones off in disgust. Speaker C: It's like— Speaker A: all right, so you— so what? So you're— you're locked in the room, but I thought I saw something. Are you playing at Rough Trade or something? Speaker C: Oh yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, we have a Q&A at Rough Trade. Speaker A: Oh, okay, okay. Speaker C: On album release day with me and Ethan Aaron from Mama.

Speaker A: I saw something on the calendar. Speaker C: I— Speaker A: because if you were going to play— if you're gonna play songs, I was gonna try to come, but I don't— I've heard you talk— I've heard you talk for an hour today, so I'm kind of good. Yeah, yeah, they don't make you play. What kind of shit is that? They want to sell some vinyl variants. Speaker C: No, we have to do Q— no, I think it's like signing type of thing. Speaker A: Oh, okay, okay, okay. You know, I thought you might show up with a Martin and do a couple, you know, unplugged.

Speaker C: No, we have to do Q— no, I think it's like signing type of thing. Speaker A: Oh, okay, okay, okay. You know, I thought you might show up with a Martin and do a couple, you know, unplugged. Speaker C: You think I have a Martin? Speaker A: No, you don't do unplugged. You strike me as a small Fender amp plugging in. Speaker B: You do a little 12-string? You do a little 12-string ever? Speaker C: You guys, uh, no, I don't have a 12-string. I have stuff that I can use.

Hey, um, I have, I have a, I have an acoustic. I don't know. Yeah, I have some acoustic guitars, but they're Fenders. I have never bought a vintage acoustic guitar because Fender— Speaker A: are you, you're on the Fender Flow Team, I assume? Yes. You get black. All right, when are we getting the signature? When do we get the signature model? Speaker C: I'm gonna do that so bad with the Red Jag. That would be so cool. Speaker A: Who's got one? Who's— I feel like they give them away to funny characters sometimes.

Speaker C: I think there's like a Tom Morello one like a Jay Maskus one, a Thurston Moore one. Those are all pretty legendary. Speaker A: Yeah, those are pretty legendary. Speaker B: There's also the Krungabin— Speaker A: not Krungabin. Krungabin got one. Speaker C: Krungabin. Speaker A: Damn. Speaker B: Johnny Marr. Johnny Marr has one. Brad Paisley. Speaker A: Okay, Brad Paisley. Now we're cooking. Now we're cooking. Speaker C: Wow. Damn. Um, yeah, so maybe I actually can't get one. Speaker A: Did I tell you my— I think I told the story on the podcast, but when Jason— when we did the Wilco Festival, I saw Jay Maskus in a snorkel.

Circle going to the— walking into the water. And it was the— we were like on the— Speaker B: time to go swimming— Speaker A: going at the Artist Beach. And it was— I can't remember who was with me. We all just were— it was unbelievable. It was unbelievable. Speaker C: He's awesome. I was at the beach. Speaker A: One of the coolest things I've ever seen. One of the coolest things I've ever seen. Speaker C: He's the— he's, he's awesome. Speaker B: time to go swimming— Speaker A: going at the Artist Beach.

And it was— I can't remember who was with me. We all just were— it was unbelievable. It was unbelievable. Speaker C: He's awesome. I was at the beach. Speaker A: One of the coolest things I've ever seen. One of the coolest things I've ever seen. Speaker C: He's the— he's, he's awesome. Speaker B: He seems like a great guy. Speaker A: He's a big— he's a big snail head. Speaker C: He's the king. Speaker A: I agree. I agree. Speaker C: Yeah, I met him for the first time at that Fuji Rock thing, and like the first time we did that, we did like that thing together.

And then, yeah, he's just a sick guy. Anytime I ever saw him after that, I was like, this is my friend. And then like I ran into him on— I ran into him on like my friend's family vacation. Speaker A: Oh, I see. You had a social interaction you weren't expecting. Speaker C: Oh, no. I mean, I was expecting it. I knew he was going to be there, but I— it was— he's just— I've also spent some time on the beach with Jamie. Speaker A: That's funny. Look, he wasn't spending any time with me.

He was merely walking by. But I— it was still a special thing to witness. Witness. Speaker C: Totally. I could— I can actually really— I can really picture that for some reason. Speaker A: There's some people in the world that I can only imagine like with a guitar in front of an amp, kind of. And he is one of those. Him doing anything else— like the picture of him when he's buying the car. Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Speaker A: I mean, that's, that's one of the greatest pictures of all time.

Speaker B: Like, what are you doing buying a car and driving it? That just feels wrong. Speaker C: What are you gonna use that for, man? Speaker A: I just like— hey, how do you move through life if you're him? Like, somebody should do all of that for you. Speaker C: I don't— yeah, I No, he's so— yeah, he's really sick. He's really chill. Speaker A: Yeah, he's very chill. I can't imagine the two of you interacting, but I would love to witness it. Speaker C: Dude, I— yeah, we got a vibe.

Speaker B: One of my favorite episodes of How Long Gone we've ever done was, was Jay Mask. Speaker C: I don't— yeah, I No, he's so— yeah, he's really sick. He's really chill. Speaker A: Yeah, he's very chill. I can't imagine the two of you interacting, but I would love to witness it. Speaker C: Dude, I— yeah, we got a vibe. Speaker B: One of my favorite episodes of How Long Gone we've ever done was, was Jay Mask. Speaker C: Well, that's— I didn't know that existed. I'm gonna listen to that.

Speaker A: Well, he, he doesn't— he doesn't know it existed either, uh, and it's— that's the kind of why it's so great. Speaker B: No, like, he doesn't really say anything until like 48 minutes into it, and then he mentions that the small town that he lives in has has nothing but awful restaurants, and then the whole town turned on him, and there was like an article in the local newspaper. Speaker C: Oh my God, wait, you guys are stressing me out so much. Is there— are you guys going to take some of the crazy shit out of this?

Speaker A: You didn't say anything crazy. Speaker C: No, you guys said things that were crazy though. Speaker A: Exactly, that's on us. Speaker B: The, the thing that you told me to bleep, I'm going to bleep that. Speaker C: Okay. Speaker B: Are you upset because we have such a large global audience that we might, you know— Speaker C: no, it's just like hard to keep— no, no, I don't want to get in trouble. Speaker A: No, no, you're not going to get in trouble. Speaker B: No, we have your best interests in mind, Lindsay.

Of course. Don't worry. Speaker A: Yeah, we're heads— I swear on my mama! Honestly, for some reason interest is but an effort. For some reason, I really want you to see— I have a real yearning for you to succeed. Speaker C: What if I said I feel the same way about you? Then how would you feel? Speaker A: I just— I really— Speaker B: what if I said his sister was yearning too? Speaker A: Yo, but for real, no, I just— there's some— sometimes I see people, I meet someone, I'm like, you know what, they're so good, I want them to win.

And sometimes they do. Speaker C: What if I said I feel the same way about you? Then how would you feel? Speaker A: I just— I really— Speaker B: what if I said his sister was yearning too? Speaker A: Yo, but for real, no, I just— there's some— sometimes I see people, I meet someone, I'm like, you know what, they're so good, I want them to win. And sometimes they do. Speaker B: And that's the Chris curse. The world needs more people like you at the top. Speaker A: Yeah, we need more snails at the top.

Speaker C: Thank you, guys. Speaker A: And less other people that we won't name. Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, we— but we do this for even for people who we don't like that much. So imagine the care that we give you. Speaker A: Do you know how many guests we have that we don't like very much? It's unbelievable. Unbelievable. Speaker C: You'd have to, right? There's gotta— there's so many unpleasant people out there that you could— that probably make like art that you could talk to, you know what I mean?

Speaker A: Well, the worst, the worst is when it's somebody whose art you really like and then they're, then they're a real bummer and you're like, well, I still like your— I'm still gonna listen to your music or whatever. Speaker C: But yeah, no, I fully am like— I think it's like, you know, I think a lot of most people in the entertainment industry are bad people. And if you like their music, you like their music. Speaker B: Well, who are, who are some of the artists that you're able to separate the artist from the art?

Speaker C: Michael Jackson. Speaker A: Okay, I think he's— I, I actually think Michael J— I think he's been freed of the charges, kind of. Speaker B: Kind of, yeah. Speaker A: Like, I think the world has completely turned. Unfortunately, all my cancel white boys, it ain't— they ain't— it ain't ever gonna happen. Speaker B: But still a little quiet for Ryan. Speaker A: It's a little quiet for, for, for Kozilek, you know what I mean? Speaker C: We gotta keep it— we gotta— Speaker B: oh man, there's Chris is still nursing his wounds after Ariel Pink got— got—

Speaker B: But still a little quiet for Ryan. Speaker A: It's a little quiet for, for, for Kozilek, you know what I mean? Speaker C: We gotta keep it— we gotta— Speaker B: oh man, there's Chris is still nursing his wounds after Ariel Pink got— got— Speaker A: thank God. Thank God he's not one of my guys. Thank God. Speaker C: I mean, I will say I love Ariel Pink's music. That's another thing I was going to say. That's a perfect example. Speaker A: It's so weird. I just never listened to it.

It's weird. I like never listened to it ever, really. I don't know. I don't know how I missed it because I was definitely there. Speaker B: It's kind of— it'll be— I feel like in 50 years it'll be how people say like Charles Manson's music was actually pretty good. Like, it's going to be that kind of vibe. Speaker C: I know people who feel that way. I'm like, there's so much better folk music that sounds Sounds just like— Speaker A: I've never explored Charles's catalog. Is it available on Tidal or Spotify, or is it just kind of— oh, I don't know.

Speaker B: Is it— you can grab it on YouTube, but people— it's one of those things where, like, only— I got like a couple 7 inches, actually. Speaker C: I think it's pretty mid. Speaker B: I think it's like, it's better than you think it's gonna be for sure. A serial killer, maybe. Speaker A: I don't know. Speaker C: Totally. But if you think about like what happened where they were like, actually, never mind, like, we're not gonna sign you, like, I feel like all that could have— Speaker B: I'd kill a bitch too— Speaker C: like happened today.

Just because it's like, it's— I get how he got where he got, like with the people he got there with, but like I still don't think he comes close to like anything else that was being made at that time that was like really good, you know? So I'm like, I feel like I would drop him too. I'm okay. Speaker A: Cold stuff's fine. The music's just not there. Speaker C: I just think he's— yeah, I thought the music's a little bit mid, but well, most things are. Speaker A: Most things are.

Speaker B: You heard it here first, Manson's mid. I heard your little EP, it was all right. Hey, Charles. Yeah, Charles Manson 4.7 ass release. Speaker A: Cold stuff's fine. The music's just not there. Speaker C: I just think he's— yeah, I thought the music's a little bit mid, but well, most things are. Speaker A: Most things are. Speaker B: You heard it here first, Manson's mid. I heard your little EP, it was all right. Hey, Charles. Yeah, Charles Manson 4.7 ass release. Speaker A: Yeah. What do you think your Pitchfork score is going to be?

Speaker C: Dude, I'm scared about the way that everything has changed. I'm like, probably like— Speaker B: Do you know which writer has been assigned your album yet? Because I feel like that plays such a huge part. Speaker A: But they've been supportive of you in the past, I would assume. Speaker C: Totally. I mean, yeah, I don't know. I just feel like since Snail Mail last existed, it's become a whole new world. Yeah. I feel like I have no idea who's behind anything anymore. Anymore. And either way, like, they give you so— they give you no insight as to how the thing with the score is gonna go.

And it totally could just be like a writer that's like, oh, I fucking hate that girl. I met her one time, fucking bitch. Speaker B: Yeah, whatever you said on this— whatever you said on this episode ain't gonna help you either, probably, whoever's writing it. Speaker A: It's too late. It's too late. The review— the album comes out tomorrow. All your shit's done. Speaker B: This shit has already been written. Speaker A: You got the album cover tatted and you got it on a ring? Speaker B: That part— Speaker C: wait, I have a necklace too that I made, but it didn't— I couldn't wear it today.

Speaker A: Is this a— Speaker B: is this a merch set, like Olivia Rodrigo style? You can The fucking necklace? Speaker C: No, no, I just make— I like, I love making jewelry, and I also like have been working with clay a lot. Speaker B: Not defeating the alligator? Speaker C: No, no, no. Speaker A: You're telling me you're throwing some— you're throwing some pots on the— and, and then putting them in the kiln? Speaker B: Are you doing one-hitters, bubblers? What's going in the kiln? Speaker C: No, no, I just make— I like, I love making jewelry, and I also like have been working with clay a lot.

Speaker B: Not defeating the alligator? Speaker C: No, no, no. Speaker A: You're telling me you're throwing some— you're throwing some pots on the— and, and then putting them in the kiln? Speaker B: Are you doing one-hitters, bubblers? What's going in the kiln? Speaker C: No, man, I don't, I don't know. I don't— I've never— I haven't used like food-safe clay. I need to figure out how I could do that, but I've, I've been messing with air dry clay for like, uh, 2 years. And I like— I've made— during almost all of the press I've done during this cycle, I've been doing it under the table.

And I have like tons and tons. I make little ashtrays for people as gifts. I made this big candelabra thing. It's crazy. And then I made this my first— for my girlfriend's birthday, I made this my first ever box. And it's a seashell, and it goes into a sand thing that it fits into. It's— it— they're actually really pretty. Speaker A: That's cool. Speaker B: That's cool. Speaker A: That's cool that your relationship is so healthy that you can give a homemade gift and it doesn't get an eye roll. Speaker B: I got you a box, babe.

Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, dude, but that was— that— I, I give, I give the, I give the real gifts too. That's just, that's just a nice touch to remember. Speaker B: That one's from the heart and the hand. Speaker A: I, I feel like you're probably a good— you're willing to cop a little something for shorty. Speaker C: Oh man, come on. Speaker B: The little Cleefy, little, little Cleef bracelet. Speaker C: I mean, the people that are close to us are all we have. Speaker A: Damn. Speaker C: So I do love to give gifts.

It makes it— it's— I would I would say, yeah, it's one of the— Speaker A: yeah, I do too. No, I agree. Speaker C: It makes me feel human. Speaker A: I'm glad that it's your love language. Speaker B: Generous assholes. Speaker A: Your, your people have told us that our time is up here, um, on How Long Gone. But Lindsay, um, we can't have it go this long again. Uh, one of our favorite How Long Gone guests. Uh, the album is out today. This out— this comes out tomorrow. The album that's out today everywhere you stream.

Speaker C: I mean, the people that are close to us are all we have. Speaker A: Damn. Speaker C: So I do love to give gifts. It makes it— it's— I would I would say, yeah, it's one of the— Speaker A: yeah, I do too. No, I agree. Speaker C: It makes me feel human. Speaker A: I'm glad that it's your love language. Speaker B: Generous assholes. Speaker A: Your, your people have told us that our time is up here, um, on How Long Gone. But Lindsay, um, we can't have it go this long again.

Uh, one of our favorite How Long Gone guests. Uh, the album is out today. This out— this comes out tomorrow. The album that's out today everywhere you stream. Speaker B: You're gonna do Los Culturistas after this one? Who's— what's the pod. Speaker C: I think this is the only pod I'm doing. Speaker A: Okay, so you got to talk to the failing Rolling Stone or something after this. Well, on the— Speaker C: no, wait, God, I love Rolling Stone. Speaker A: I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm joking. Speaker C: No, uh, no, we're doing like— I'm like, what even is after this?

What even is after net? Okay, I think it's The Fader. I think I'm doing The Fader after this. Speaker A: Okay, old school. All right, yeah, thank you for listening. Go, go stream, go purchase the vinyl, go get the tickets. Go do, go do it all. Snail Mail in stores now, baby. We love to see it. Thank you for joining us, and we'll see you all. We're gonna come catch a show. We're gonna come build. Okay, hit me up. I'll bring you a Red Bull 12-pack backstage. Speaker C: This flavor, this flavor, full sugar.

Speaker A: What flavor is that? Speaker C: Blue iced vanilla berry. Speaker B: What flavor is the vape? Just Chronic strawberry. Speaker A: I don't even want to know what your insides are going through right now. All right, Snail Mail. Speaker C: Oh dude, I'm Alright. Speaker B: Okay, we love you. Thank you. Speaker A: What flavor is that? Speaker C: Blue iced vanilla berry. Speaker B: What flavor is the vape? Just Chronic strawberry. Speaker A: I don't even want to know what your insides are going through right now. All right, Snail Mail.

Speaker C: Oh dude, I'm Alright. Speaker B: Okay, we love you. Thank you. Speaker A: Good to see you. Speaker C: Love you guys. Alright, good to see you. Wait, guys, guys. Speaker B: Yes? Speaker C: Is it done now? Speaker B: It's done.