936. - Chris & Jason

Speaker A: All right, uh, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it 3 times a week. Jason, does that sound familiar to you? Speaker B: We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place.

Speaker A: All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcasts or watch on YouTube. Hello, long gone recording in progress. Uh, it's Chris Black. I'm, I'm just back in New York. The sun is shining, shirts are off in the park. Things are looking good. TJ, how are you? Speaker B: Is it hot enough to take the shirt off there already? Speaker A: I would say these are season jumpers jump roping in the sun directly. Yeah. So it's a little bit, you know, it's a, it's a choice.

It's 60 degrees, but that, you know, for us, that's big. Speaker B: Big. That's big. That's good. So you just got back from Italy? Speaker A: Yeah. Speaker B: Correct. Speaker A: Yeah. I arrived at beautiful Newark just 2 hours ago, uh, and I, I realized I'd never flown internationally into Newark before. It was a whole new customs experience for me. Speaker B: I was just gonna say, dude, it threw me off. Speaker A: I have to say it was, but it was very fast. We'll get in and out of there.

Newark is low-key a sleeper. If it wasn't a United hub it would be, it would be New York's best airport. Speaker A: Yeah. Speaker B: Correct. Speaker A: Yeah. I arrived at beautiful Newark just 2 hours ago, uh, and I, I realized I'd never flown internationally into Newark before. It was a whole new customs experience for me. Speaker B: I was just gonna say, dude, it threw me off. Speaker A: I have to say it was, but it was very fast. We'll get in and out of there. Newark is low-key a sleeper.

If it wasn't a United hub it would be, it would be New York's best airport. Speaker B: Also, if it was in New York, the tri-state area's best airport. So in Joe Budden's Newark, New Jersey. Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Speaker B: And issues for international listeners that not everyone knows about Newark, New Jersey. Speaker A: There's not much to know, uh, from my, from my, um, few, few times poking around. Speaker B: So it's a one-pager. It's more of a one-pager. Speaker A: Exactly. It's a one, it's a one-sentencer. I think airport is all you need.

Maybe word. We can go one word. Speaker B: Okay. Um, okay. Well, welcome back. Welcome back. Welcome back in, uh, into America. You can jump back into the clip economy, uh, where we can do some Whole Foods microlooting. Speaker A: Dude, I can't wait. Speaker B: We can show you how to spend it. Speaker A: I can't wait to microloot. I— dude, imagine, imagine making a throwaway comment on a podcast about microlooting like we've done, I don't know, 15,000 times apiece on this show, and having the Daily Mail send photographers to your house and have somebody coming through public records to find out how much your mortgage is.

That's tough, man. That's tough. You know what, I, I I don't usually say this because I don't usually mean it. Does feel like the patriarchy's in play a little bit here. I hate to say it. I hate to say it. Speaker B: I know how much it must hate for you to say it, but I think you and I came to a similar premonition about this in comparison. Speaker B: I know how much it must hate for you to say it, but I think you and I came to a similar premonition about this in comparison.

Speaker A: Okay. Speaker B: Because we have, like you said, I have admitted to microlooting the Whole Foods. I would never microloot from a small local business. I support those. Speaker A: No, of course not. Speaker B: But you know, for our— for ball demon slayer ball Jeff Bezos, I'm okay with taking, you know, ringing up the organic tomato as a regular one or whatever it is. Speaker A: These asparagus are coming with me. How about that, Jeff? Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, the ramps will become green onions and, you know, I take the pound of flesh, but I feel like these are— you have these agreements with people where it's like, I, you know, maybe the Delta Delta company as well.

You fly a lot, you know, you're flying all the time, you're spending thousands of dollars every year. You're considered a good person to have, you know, if you're in the aero— the airplane industry. Speaker A: Yeah, sure. Speaker B: Do we go to the airport and spend a bunch of money? Yeah. Do we, you know, spend a bunch of money on flights and upgrades and all that shit? Yeah. You know, do we steal a bottle of water every once in a while? Yeah, you know, maybe we, you know. Speaker A: And look, if you're only gonna— if you're only gonna stock Smartwater alkaline, I'm taking 2 for 1.

That's on me, bro. That's your fault, Hudson News. That's not my fault. Speaker B: So let's say you cold email Bezos and he actually writes back because that's totally my luck. Speaker A: [redacted email]. Speaker B: [redacted email]. You know, his reply is in the subject line, but he still replies back. Speaker B: So let's say you cold email Bezos and he actually writes back because that's totally my luck. Speaker A: [redacted email]. Speaker B: [redacted email]. You know, his reply is in the subject line, but he still replies back.

Speaker A: It counts. Speaker B: And you say, hey, Jeff, would you rather— this guy's spending $30 grand a year on Amazon buying all this shit. He steals $18 worth of shit a month. Do you want us to ban him from Whole Foods for life? He'll say, fuck no. Come on. That's called wastage. That's called spoilage in this game, right? Speaker A: Well, these businesses literally plan for this. Like, this is not something that is like— Speaker B: Do you want $29.50 or do you want zero? I'm stealing. Speaker A: That's how I look at it.

I mean, I think that— Speaker B: But sorry, to go back to the very— to go back to the Tolentino of it all, I was thinking like, why am I able to talk about Whole Foods microlooting on my public platform? And actually, you know, I get it how I live. I really am doing it. Why can I do it but, you know, these verbose Karen-switching Asian women cannot? Speaker A: Well, you know more about Asian women than I do, so you could— you would have to tell me that. But I think that in this instance, in this instance, I believe it's because the Tolentino— Speaker B: every race has their Tolentino.

Speaker A: Oh, 100%. Speaker B: You know, insert, insert whatever you need to, I think, to get the visual. Speaker A: I think actually which is even darker. Speaker B: Damn, we gotta start calling her Quentin Carantino. Speaker A: Sorry, I, I'm, I'm starting to think that it's because she's— no one likes a writer that can buy a $2 million brownstone, especially other writers who are, you know, not that, not, not that the Daily Mail is necessary, you know, the Daily Mail is not the Atlantic, almost exclusively other writers. Yeah, but I, but I feel like that, that people don't like that.

You know what I mean? They don't like her because for many reasons, some justified, some not. But I think this is a little bit of a— this is a witch hunt that doesn't like— Speaker A: I think actually which is even darker. Speaker B: Damn, we gotta start calling her Quentin Carantino. Speaker A: Sorry, I, I'm, I'm starting to think that it's because she's— no one likes a writer that can buy a $2 million brownstone, especially other writers who are, you know, not that, not, not that the Daily Mail is necessary, you know, the Daily Mail is not the Atlantic, almost exclusively other writers.

Yeah, but I, but I feel like that, that people don't like that. You know what I mean? They don't like her because for many reasons, some justified, some not. But I think this is a little bit of a— this is a witch hunt that doesn't like— Speaker B: this is a witch hunt. Speaker A: Free Gia. Free Gia is what I'm saying. Free Gia. Free the girls. Free the girls. Speaker B: Can a girl just be a human walking witch and not be fucking— Speaker A: free the humans. Free the humans.

Speaker B: Okay, but like, you know, comparing the patriarchy to, you know, so Gia, she's an intelligent, educated woman who did a very hard thing, wrote, you know, writes books and gets paid well for them and lives a good life and blah, blah, blah. She's getting her garbage ran through and, you know, people taking photos. Speaker A: Like, she also— she escaped. Her parents are human traffickers and she escaped. You know, this is— this is like, we're not giving her enough credit. She's a survivor. Speaker B: Yeah, she's a— she's a traffic nepo baby and she flipped that into a writer's career.

Speaker A: Yeah. Speaker B: And it's tough because in immigrant families there's a lot of pressure to get into the family business. Who's going to take over the shop, as they said, once I head out. And she says, I'm— oh, you're not taking the shop over? I'm not taking— Speaker B: Yeah, she's a— she's a traffic nepo baby and she flipped that into a writer's career. Speaker A: Yeah. Speaker B: And it's tough because in immigrant families there's a lot of pressure to get into the family business. Who's going to take over the shop, as they said, once I head out.

And she says, I'm— oh, you're not taking the shop over? I'm not taking— Speaker A: I'm not gonna be a doctor or human trafficker. I guess you can be a writer, that's fine if that's what you want. Speaker B: Parents, I have decided I'm not going to be a doctor, I'm going to be a man rappeller. Speaker A: I don't know if, um— Speaker B: so, so let's compare her life to, let's say, a man, let's say Carrot Top in Las Vegas. Okay, that guy does and says whatever the fuck he wants.

You know, and no one's taking pictures of his— Speaker A: this is the problem— Speaker B: his garbage. No one's— he could do what— he could do some really gnarly shit and no one's giving a fuck. Speaker A: That's because his fans aren't the worst possible liberals that exist on planet Earth. That's the issue. That's the— the problem is who your audience is. If this— this could— this is totally— I think Hasan Piker said the same, you know, I think it was with Hasan Piker, I believe, is when she was talking about it.

Speaker B: I recall Piker said it best. Speaker A: And I don't think Piker, you know, I don't think Piker's stealing fucking Tabbies, you know what I mean, from the Margiela store. But I bet he's, he's putting some broth in his fucking, his tote bag, you know, occasionally. And I just, I just think that it's broth. It really does feel like, it really does feel like one of the most— it's a weird— it feels like a weird moral panic thing that I wouldn't necessarily, necessarily expect. Like, you guys can't hate all the corporations, want to burn them to the ground and not support them, but then also get mad when somebody who makes more money than you steals fucking sumos once a month.

Speaker B: Sumo. Speaker A: It doesn't— you can't have it all. You got to pick one of these causes. You got to either hate Bezos or you got to hate successful writers, I guess, or hate women, which is also a popular choice. Speaker B: Yeah, you can't join a defund the police Facebook group and then give it a thumbs down when somebody lights a cop car on fire. We got to pick one side and stick with it. And if you're, uh, I mean, like, like you said, the audience is everything.

And is it Tolentino's fault for creating this audience of insufferable people, or did this happen outside of her control? You know, what could she have done to make cooler fans? Speaker A: There's no— that's the thing. If the problem is when you do something successful, the net is— I mean, that book was a hit, and obviously she writes The New Yorker, which is a very popular, you know, very popular a weekly magazine. So it's like, you know, she's constantly doing stuff. But I think that that book— she just— I don't know, man.

Sometimes people are just deeply, deeply polarizing. And, and unfortunately, it's usually because it's Lena Dunham shit. They're just being themselves, and you either absolutely hate them or you like them, or the secret third thing, you really respect them but you also hate them. And I think that she falls into that. I think she falls into all of those categories. Well, still, she still has a house upstate and a $2 million brownstone in some part, far-flung part of Brooklyn. So she's laughing all the way to the bank. Speaker B: Okay, well, let's, you know, people who laugh all the way to the bank, let's, let's maybe like an evangelical church person, you know, that person is making money off of a rabid fan base that they have to, you know, sort of please and appease at all times.

Speaker B: Okay, well, let's, you know, people who laugh all the way to the bank, let's, let's maybe like an evangelical church person, you know, that person is making money off of a rabid fan base that they have to, you know, sort of please and appease at all times. Speaker A: Yeah, but that's a lot. That's kind of, you know, you're lying. That's the difference. Speaker B: Okay, well, well, I'm saying, is, is Gia not lying? But has she, you know, looked into the trick mirror and found out I can find— I want success so bad that I'm going to, you know, instead of like trying to get like great awesome fans, I'm gonna go for, you know, this core group of people because I know that I can grab onto them.

I want fame and success so much, I'm okay if my fan base is a fucking bum bum. Speaker A: Well, I think that— no, I mean, I think The New Yorker comes with a built-in fan base whether you like it or not. And, and, and I know exactly who those people are, and a lot of those people are the kind that would turn their nose up at a, a throwaway shoplifting story on a podcast, you know what I mean? And though— but I think that the— it's crazy that this is what— because, you know, on one side we got this, we got people pissed off at a, a liberal New Yorker writer for stealing, you know, produce, and the other side we got the Secretary of War last night walking through a a fake shooting with coke jaw and no one even cares.

You know what I mean? So it's like either— like the way that people are choosing to decide, like, you know what I mean? Like, no, no Republicans are talking about the fact that their secretary of war was gacked out last night when, when they faked a shooting to get the president's approval rating up. Speaker B: He was able to find a very strong packet in Washington,, despite other efforts. Speaker A: Washington, C. And I've actually— I've definitely done coke there and I don't remember, but I would imagine that's some of the greatest packet in the United States.

If I were— not because of the pipeline from Colombia or anything, just because of the sheer usage that's happening from people at all levels. And they got money to pay for it because they got to stay up all night, you know what I mean? They got to finish the bill or whatever they do. Speaker B: Let's roll up this bill so we could finish this bill. And I like that. Speaker A: Exactly. Speaker B: You know, the pipeline direct from Colombia, that's a How Long Gone exclusive right there. I didn't know that.

Speaker A: I didn't want to— no, that's a joke. I don't have any data. You know, I don't have no data on that. But yeah, I mean, Free, free, but free Gia. This is crazy. You guys are fucking idiots. You guys are idiots. Speaker B: Would you have Gia on the pod? Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, sure. I'm sure she's ignored us for 3 years. I'm sure at some point when the book was coming out, there was an attempt that was made. I'm sure. I'm sure. Speaker B: Okay, he's sure.

Speaker A: I, I'm not sure actually, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna assume, I'm gonna assume that she would turn her nose up at that, you know, um, unless she had something to promote or unless she wanted to come to a safe space to defend herself for shoplifting. Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure somebody that either— either she's listening or somebody she knows is listening. And, you know, the white smoke comes from Chinatown. Oh my God, Chris Black has become a Gina Tolentino sympathizer, previously poo-pooing this author. Speaker A: I like that.

No, I like the book. I like the book just fine. I think she— I think she's fine. I just think that the— I think that she's fine. I don't know. I don't know. That's not what I said. I did. That's not what I said. Do not misconstrue me. Speaker A: I like that. No, I like the book. I like the book just fine. I think she— I think she's fine. I just think that the— I think that she's fine. I don't know. I don't know. That's not what I said. I did.

That's not what I said. Do not misconstrue me. Speaker B: She's the Ali Wong of The New Yorker, you know, for better or for worse. Speaker A: For better or for worse. I just think it's— I just think this is truly stupid. And I think it's like, if this could be literally anyone else and no one would care, is what I think. Speaker B: Tostinos, come on the pod. We'll chat about it. But yeah, so let's get into our false flag operation at the press correspondents' dinner. I get why we need the new ballroom now.

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Do us a favor if you could and tell them How Long Gone sent you, and that'll just support us. Thanks. Speaker A: This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian, Stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's, uh, it's trying to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions. Speaker B: A lot of questions. But how often?

Because we do this podcast 3 times a week, and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do? Speaker A: 3 times a week. And I, I have a feeling, just based on the platform and these talking points, that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess. Speaker B: The Guardian is not some billionaire-owned platform. They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother. Speaker A: Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in what journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at Stateside.

But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch on YouTube. It's 3 times a week. And who couldn't use more news, especially when it's not from here, let's say. Give it a listen. Give it a listen. Exactly. I, I, because you were on the fence about the bar. I've always been pro ballroom. I'm a big ballroom guy. Not, not in a dancing sense, of course. I just, I mean, in, in a grand building sense. Speaker B: I mean, if you saw the floor plan, you'd have some pushback as well, just kind of how the things lay out.

Speaker A: Just, no, I'm more of a finishes guy. I was more looking at the finishes, but the floor plan looks strong from what I, I saw. Speaker B: But I, so More of a doorknob guy. Speaker A: I never think this because this is your role on our show to be the conspiracy theorist, but I do think this is 100% fake. And I, I've seen some, some, you know, I had an 8, 9-hour flight this morning, so I've been able to look at Twitter for a little while, let's say.

And I have seen a lot of— there's, there's all these like Twitter accounts run by the White House that all tweeted at the exact same time. About the whole thing. There's, there's, there's smoking guns, let's say. Speaker B: Welcome to the algorithm, Chris. Brother Black is here now. Speaker A: I just can't, I just can't imagine this. This is too good, right? You know what I mean? This is a little, this is a little like, like Erica Kirk like crying, leaving, I have to go, and then the fucking UFC guy being like, they told me to get out, I didn't fucking get down.

It's too good. It's, it's too good. It feels, it feels, it feels more fake than, than most things, I would say. Speaker B: Fetterman being upset that this could affect the dinner service. He didn't get his main yet. Speaker A: Yeah, this said lasagna and I'm not leaving here until I get my lasagna. I don't care if I got a hole in my fucking leg. I'm getting my lasagna. Speaker B: Reporters stealing bottles of alcohol. I mean, I guess false flag or not, it does seem like we really are so desensitized to terror events of terror.

10 years ago, imagine a guy with a gun, you know, shots fired and all these Secret Service agents with crazy machine guns and stuff. People would be on the floor wetting themselves. And now there's like many people, like shots are fired. Speaker A: It's a joke. It's literally a joke. Speaker B: And everyone's like, man, this is lol. This is crazy. We're in one of those things. Speaker A: Also, the White House Correspondents' Dinner used to be like a glamorous, like serious event that people wanted to go to. It was attended by A-list celebrities.

It would be hosted by, you know, late night luminaries, legendary comedians. There's performers. Speaker B: Colbert. Speaker A: Yeah. This is like a real thing that has been— this is— Now it's a place to have a fake shooting. And I don't— that didn't happen. Like, that happened obviously, you know, since he's been in office. But that's— it's a pretty extreme— this used to be a real thing, you know what I mean? Speaker B: Yeah, it was. It was the moment where every year the— we would sort of— it wasn't a roast of the president, but we could all sort of get together, get drunk.

Oh, you imagine all just kind of like share, share a nice meal with the enemy. Speaker A: Clinton's up there. He's chuckling his ass off after 3 glasses of white. He doesn't give a fuck what you're saying about him and his top. It's fine. But yeah, this is— this is— I don't— I don't believe any of this. I don't know what's going on, but it did— it did feel, um, you're right, for a shooting at the White House, it did feel not super urgent or surprising. Like, the way people were talking about it was not alarmist, to your point.

Like, it was very much like, oh shit, man. Oh, nobody's hurt. All right, we're good. They kept going. They continued the part. They had an after party. Speaker B: So yeah. Um, so is it like everyone used to not really be suspect of, of these things? Um, it was just like, man, this is a tragedy. It would— there'd be these mass shootings at schools and hospitals and government buildings all the time, and people would be like, damn, this is crazy, it happens so often, we don't even care anymore. We don't say that anymore.

Now it's— Speaker B: So yeah. Um, so is it like everyone used to not really be suspect of, of these things? Um, it was just like, man, this is a tragedy. It would— there'd be these mass shootings at schools and hospitals and government buildings all the time, and people would be like, damn, this is crazy, it happens so often, we don't even care anymore. We don't say that anymore. Now it's— Speaker A: yeah, you don't even have to— Speaker B: they still keep happening, but now it's a false flag, now it's an operation, now it's a government insider thingy, you know what I mean?

Speaker A: 100%. Like, no one— Speaker B: so are we being trained to be conspiracy conspiracy theorists because it sort of gamifies the end of our world. Speaker A: I don't— I just think this is— Speaker B: there's just too many, and we can bet on it. Speaker A: There's just too many red flags on this for me. There's just too much stuff that's like, this is a little too good. I don't think that anyone over there is smart enough to orchestrate the shooting that clips him in the ear and he bleeds but he doesn't get hurt.

That's too good. Like, that's too good, you know what I mean? Speaker B: No, it's not. That's an easy— that's just a little squib in the ear. Somebody hits the button on the iPhone app, just pops it. Speaker A: I mean, sure, but I'm saying that's a— I'm saying that's a further reach than this, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. Like, that whole thing and it being— this is a closed environment that is controlled by the government. This wasn't like a fucking rally in the middle of a field.

That's the thing. So it's just— it's crazy, dude. It's crazy because it really did— I got the alert on my phone, glanced at it, put it back down. I didn't even— like, didn't even click the New York Times alert. I just read the— that's how people don't care. No one cares anymore. Partly because they don't mind if he dies, and partly because I think people— you're right, people are so desensitized to it. It's just like, whatever. Speaker B: Yeah, where they're just like, what, hey, the thing that happens every day happened again, and it wasn't me, thank God.

And then like 10 years later, you're like, it's probably never going to be me, so, you know, on with the life. Yeah, but, but I like the angle that, you know, if it was a false flag event, then it was Trump's idea. Is Trump the only person in the world who is like really dead set on making sure this White House ballroom is built? Isn't it already like being built? Or they like put a stop to it, right? Speaker A: There's got to be some. I mean, he's, he's not doing that to preserve his legacy.

There's definitely like his brother's uncle's construction company is doing it and he's getting a 30% kickback or whatever, which I, you know, I'm fine with that. Speaker B: This is a lot to, a lot to orchestrate to give, you know, billionaires another $17 million, you know what I mean? Speaker A: But he's not, he's not a billionaire. That's the thing. He's not— he don't have that kind of bread. I, I don't believe he has any kind of bread. He's, he's— I mean, I know he's breaking the rules and like running business while president, which is, you know, illegal, and, you know, whatever.

The president makes a very small sum of money salary-wise considering what the job title is. Speaker B: He makes about as much as a mid to high-level podcaster. Speaker A: I don't think he's got— I don't think he's got bread. I think he's overleveraged. I think he's underwater. And I think that like any, any Any million. This is, this is the overarching theme of this podcast. Everybody wants more. Everybody wants more money. And if they don't, they're lying, especially Donald Trump's not even lying. He's making it very clear that that's what he wants.

Speaker B: Well, he's not even, I guess, I guess my point is if he is the oligarch of the most large and powerful country in the world, there's gotta be much better ways to use that evil power to make a lot of money than this elaborate scheme for like you know, the cement union workers, you know, I don't build a building, but I don't think this is an elaborate— Speaker B: Well, he's not even, I guess, I guess my point is if he is the oligarch of the most large and powerful country in the world, there's gotta be much better ways to use that evil power to make a lot of money than this elaborate scheme for like you know, the cement union workers, you know, I don't build a building, but I don't think this is an elaborate— Speaker A: I think, I think that nothing he does is— I think it's everything he does is a scheme.

So it's sort of like another scheme, you know what I mean? It's not, it's not like, like in his mind it's like, oh yeah, whatever. I mean, you know, it's just, I think everything's a scheme or a scam, or the desperation, the desperation to be liked though is pretty amazing. Like, I, if this, if this was in fact fake, and it— the only thing it could possibly do is improve an approval rating. If, like, if you're going to those links— like, going to those links to steal money or, or siphon money or skim money, I'm with that, that's fine.

But going the distance to be liked at this point, bro, the ship has sailed. Yeah, there's no more like left. Speaker B: Well, I'm not winning anybody over. I want to believe that he's so senile and advanced in his senior thinking that he he like truly loves ballrooms and like extravagant galas so much. Like that's what really like, that's what the, what he, the impact he wants to leave on the world is like, we need to, you know, have more balls and stuff. We need to queen out more or whatever it is.

So like he's so, and everyone has to go along with it because he's a president. And he, you know, when the old person in the family has like a harebrained idea like that, everyone goes along with it just because it's like, you know, they're about to die, let him have this thing, you know, whatever. But you put that on top of him being the president, and now we all really have to go along with, with Peepaw's ballroom idea. Speaker A: I mean, I like all of the— all of these theories are good for me.

All of these theories are good and fun. If he, if he just loves ornate ballrooms and like ugly gold shit That's funny. If he's doing this to fucking, yeah, steal money, like work with the mob on construction. Speaker B: Or what if, what if, what from a macro, not a micro, like what if Trump really does know he talked to the aliens and he knows that ballroom culture will save the planet. Believe it or not, I know it's weird, but you know, you guys are going to get it in 100 years.

You're going to be real happy I built this ballroom. Speaker A: I mean, he, I think he could believe that. Speaker B: Like Trump was all right. It would be like if You know, Michael Jackson didn't make any good music until the last year of his, of his molestation career. Speaker A: It's really cool. It's, it's, it's really cool. Cause I believe that Donald Trump both believes every single thing he says and does and doesn't believe every single thing he says and does. I mean, it's, it's, I've never seen anything like it where it's like, I don't know, man.

He, he, he believes it. He doesn't believe it. Speaker B: Set him up to one of those brain scanning machines and every doctor's like, I don't know, man. I don't know. Like, what is it reading? And he's like, Everything. All of it. Speaker A: He does the Vanity Fair lie detector test with his co-star and it's just flatline the whole time. I don't know. I can get nothing on this guy. Speaker B: There's just a line of old lie detector machines with smoke coming out of them. Pulled over to the side of the road.

Yeah. He went through another one. Speaker A: He's run through these things. We changed the batteries and everything. He's blowing through these guys. We can't keep him under control. No, it's, I mean, it is pretty interesting how fast we've moved. Passed it. But I think that, like, I, I, I mean, it's the capacity for us to hold anything, to hold our attention, including like the threat of the president being killed, is, is unable to hold our attention as a society. Is, uh, that's honestly the biggest takeaway for me. That's the bit.

But also, I mean, there was also a Substack fight, I guess. I, I didn't read, I didn't read the actual details yet, but one Substacker tried to fight another Substacker, and then he went to his hotel and took a picture of his hotel. Like, I'm outside, come outside, like on some real— and it's— they're calling it the Substack fight. I mean, a bunch of people I know were there at the dinner, so I need to tap in, not to check on their safety, but to hear about this Substack story, uh, because they're tweeting through it, so they're fine.

Yeah, um, but I, I just— I need more details on this because it's pretty interesting. Speaker A: He's run through these things. We changed the batteries and everything. He's blowing through these guys. We can't keep him under control. No, it's, I mean, it is pretty interesting how fast we've moved. Passed it. But I think that, like, I, I, I mean, it's the capacity for us to hold anything, to hold our attention, including like the threat of the president being killed, is, is unable to hold our attention as a society. Is, uh, that's honestly the biggest takeaway for me.

That's the bit. But also, I mean, there was also a Substack fight, I guess. I, I didn't read, I didn't read the actual details yet, but one Substacker tried to fight another Substacker, and then he went to his hotel and took a picture of his hotel. Like, I'm outside, come outside, like on some real— and it's— they're calling it the Substack fight. I mean, a bunch of people I know were there at the dinner, so I need to tap in, not to check on their safety, but to hear about this Substack story, uh, because they're tweeting through it, so they're fine.

Yeah, um, but I, I just— I need more details on this because it's pretty interesting. Speaker B: We need some Allbirds on the ground. Who is talking about what? Who is doing what? Who is Emily Sundberg throwing hands with? With a with a Latina outside the Hampton Inn. I don't know. Speaker A: Imagine, imagine Emily Sundberg tripping Erica Kirk or something, you know what I mean? Just on some like high school burn type shit. Bitch, sit down, bitch. Speaker B: Sundberg and Whoa Vicky pulling each other's weave out. That's nice.

Speaker A: Oh, it was crazy down there, man. She got the exclusive. Whoa Vicky was wearing a wig. Speaker B: I'll do $5 a month for that now. Speaker A: I mean, honestly, that's the thing about this is that people like Emily should be there because they're the only ones— because any New York Times has to keep it above board because they have to report on it. They haven't been going for like 20 years. They have to report on the media side of it only, whereas someone like Emily could literally go out there and be like, yo, these Republican chicks were doing meth.

Fucking Dana White tried to grab— Dana White tried to grab my ass. Fucking— I saw Erica Kirk in the bathroom using fucking, you know, blah blah. I just think that there's— there needs to be people that are infiltrating to get the real— Speaker B: Sundberg and Whoa Vicky pulling each other's weave out. That's nice. Speaker A: Oh, it was crazy down there, man. She got the exclusive. Whoa Vicky was wearing a wig. Speaker B: I'll do $5 a month for that now. Speaker A: I mean, honestly, that's the thing about this is that people like Emily should be there because they're the only ones— because any New York Times has to keep it above board because they have to report on it.

They haven't been going for like 20 years. They have to report on the media side of it only, whereas someone like Emily could literally go out there and be like, yo, these Republican chicks were doing meth. Fucking Dana White tried to grab— Dana White tried to grab my ass. Fucking— I saw Erica Kirk in the bathroom using fucking, you know, blah blah. I just think that there's— there needs to be people that are infiltrating to get the real— Speaker B: who's going to cover the mess? Who's— yeah, who's going to cover the real good stuff?

Not like, not these political Substackers. Speaker A: Yeah, we need— Speaker B: we're just there to like be like cunty to each other. Speaker A: We need somebody, we need somebody down there in a look having cocktails, just listening, just taking it all in, man, just, just soaking it up. Speaker B: His annual subs aren't even as good as his— he only has 73,000 subs. Speaker A: So then he said, I've got I checked the subtitles. Speaker B: I'm gonna leave him a note. I'm gonna leave him a note in his footer.

Speaker A: Don't make me, don't make me post to notes because I will live from the dinner. Speaker B: I will. Speaker A: Don't fuck with me. Speaker B: Was the, was the guy— I only saw a video of the guy and apparently all the shots were just like shots from the Secret Service, not of him. And it looked like he was just like trying to run through security and then a bunch of Secret Service people pulled guns out. Speaker B: I will. Speaker A: Don't fuck with me. Speaker B: Was the, was the guy— I only saw a video of the guy and apparently all the shots were just like shots from the Secret Service, not of him.

And it looked like he was just like trying to run through security and then a bunch of Secret Service people pulled guns out. Speaker A: And I guess it's like, it's like— Speaker B: so all that is to say we don't know what this guy was trying to do. We don't know if he was trying to— Speaker A: he could do, bro. He could have thought this was the Marc Jacobs show and he was trying to protest the fur. We don't fucking know. Speaker B: Okay, well, here's where I'm going.

The only footage— we don't, we don't have any footage of him, you know, firing at the president or, or the, you know, any high-level officials. He's just running really fast through a hotel hallway. 11 fucking trained SEALs, you know, brandish their weapons and this guy's hogtied on the floor. So was he just doing a Scientology building speedrun of the press secretary dinner? Speaker A: If I don't see a gun, I'm going to have to assume so. I thought you were going marathon training, but that was in London. So I thought I didn't, I didn't know where you're going because he, yeah, he's, he's sub 2.

Speaker B: He got it. Speaker A: I don't know if he's doing sub 2, but I mean, it's impressive. I, I, it could honestly, he was wearing Adidas. Speaker B: I saw another, the downfall of Nike continues. He had the $500, um, Yeah, I don't, uh, yeah, and they're not even available yet. How did you get those? You know, big brother's watching. Speaker A: If there's no gun, if there's no gun, it's a speedrun. There's no way. There's no other way. What else can we chalk it up to? Speaker B: Speedrunning and TMZ switching to shaming politicians being gay at Disney World while the government crumbles.

It's the same thing as young teens, dude, you know, on, on Kick wearing like anime furry costumes and gooning and, you know, doing donuts in their car and in fucking whatever, Galaxy Gas. They're taking all that negative energy and then funneling it into Scientology. But the problem is when you're speedrunning a government building, they will shoot you dead versus— Speaker A: If there's no gun, if there's no gun, it's a speedrun. There's no way. There's no other way. What else can we chalk it up to? Speaker B: Speedrunning and TMZ switching to shaming politicians being gay at Disney World while the government crumbles.

It's the same thing as young teens, dude, you know, on, on Kick wearing like anime furry costumes and gooning and, you know, doing donuts in their car and in fucking whatever, Galaxy Gas. They're taking all that negative energy and then funneling it into Scientology. But the problem is when you're speedrunning a government building, they will shoot you dead versus— Speaker A: they will happily shoot you wherever you— Speaker B: if you speedrun, you know, the church. Speaker A: Yeah, they're gonna— yeah. Speaker B: So are we gonna speedrun the Vatican?

Are we gonna speedrun the Jewish mattress tunnels? Are we gonna speedrun the evangelical megachurches? Are we gonna speedrun the Pentagon? You know, where That's easy. Speedrun Conde Nast. Speaker A: That's easy shit, bro. I'll put on my Nike Alpha Flies. I'll run right through the Vatican. I don't give a fuck. I'll put on some 2-inch marathon shorts like Harry. Speaker B: Squad, they don't play. They don't play in the Vatican. Speaker A: Fuck that, bro. I got my District Visions on. They won't even see me. Speaker B: The rolling vatties will fucking light you up.

5 seconds. It's not sweet for you at the Vatican. I've been in the Vatican and I was walking around and it felt more frightening than like when you're in, you know, a dean. Like you felt like everyone is watching you from like cameras that we don't even know exist. Yeah, yeah, it felt like, like we were in the Catholic dome. Speaker A: I believe that 100%. Speaker B: You ever get some Catholic dome? Speaker A: I believe— God damn it, this, this is not Red Scare, stop. Uh, I, I think that the, um, I think that the— Speaker B: they give Catholic dome, they don't get it.

Speaker A: The speedrunning thing is pretty cool. I, I— it's— it feels— it's Scientology— it feels like a victimless kind of— like it makes the Scientology guys in the blue polo shirts. Unfortunately, they dress like me. Um, kind of like seem just like so stupid. Anyone would look confused. Like, if that happened to anyone, you're gonna look stupid because it's confusing, you know what I mean? But they look extra stupid because they're dressed like they're going to 4th grade and their mommy's walking them like down the street. So when a guy runs— Speaker B: flippin' stop it now, you guys!

Speaker A: So when like a streamer in Yeezys sprints by in the middle of the day, in the middle of the day, they just— they look so confused, which is like the whole point. It's funny. But I mean, because what can they do? They— it's all they can do is like tackle you and kick you out. There's not— Speaker B: they're not— Speaker A: we're gonna call the cops and just say what, you ran into a building? Speaker B: And we're in the Scientology building, is like on Hollywood Boulevard, where like the police there are so beyond jaded.

Like they're only responding to active murders. Like, like ask Chris Chang, his, his office is— Speaker A: yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker B: Every day he's like, oh, the machete guy's back, or, you know, whatever all that happens. So if it's Oh man, there's like 7 14-year-olds wearing like Pikachu costumes running down a hallway. Yeah, you know, we'll get to that when we get to that. So this could heal the nation because all of these teens, they have no outlet for anything except for like electric bicycles that go 70 miles an hour.

I just feel like put these motherfuckers on those bikes and speed run them through all these places that suck. Speaker A: Yeah, who cares? Like, who— this is completely— this is honestly, this is a great example of what should be streaming should be used for. Something completely stupid and funny that doesn't really— like, no one cares about Scientology. No one's like, don't do that to them, that's mean. You know what I mean? It's like, it's not punching down. It's like one of the world's weirdest, worst organizations that people have been trying to figure out since the beginning of time.

So like, we're not going to get to the bottom of it, and Tom Cruise is never going to talk. All we can do is have a 14-year-old run as fast as he can through the front doors that are open because they're trying to recruit people. This is not like— there's no way they're going to get you for this. It's good. It's good shit. Speaker B: It's true. It's good shit. Go speedrun the Apple offices. Get to fucking Jobs's desk. He gives you a high five and some new Air Max Pros.

Damn, you did it, kid. That was swag. Speaker A: Somebody's going to do something cool. This is going to happen to somebody and they're going to be like, oh man, sit down. Let me get you a pizza, big bro. It's going to be— it's going to be something. Speaker B: No, like I said, speedrun the Condé offices. I got all the way to Wintour's desk and guess what? Yeah, I got the internship. Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Oh, I got the invite to the first night of Devil Wears Prada 2. Speaker B: And I got a selfie with Sam Heine on the way out.

Speaker A: Speedrunning. The speedrun— the problem is now somebody's gonna monetize speedrunning. It's gonna be like, all right, I'm speedrunning, you know, for the— for a brand, you know. I'm gonna speedrun. Speaker B: No, I'm speedrunning for a cause, brother. Speaker A: Well, obviously we're all— Speaker B: this is my 5K speedrun for PETA. Speaker A: God damn it, where are you gonna run? The furriers? Where do you even go? Speaker B: No, no, I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna— on behalf of the of the— Speaker B: No, I'm speedrunning for a cause, brother.

Speaker A: Well, obviously we're all— Speaker B: this is my 5K speedrun for PETA. Speaker A: God damn it, where are you gonna run? The furriers? Where do you even go? Speaker B: No, no, I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna— on behalf of the of the— Speaker A: oh, I see— Speaker B: Wagyu Beef Council. I'm gonna speedrun the PETA office, spray those fuckers down with real blood. Speaker A: That— I, I just think this is gonna— because I think there's an interview with the speedrunner. Speaker B: This one's for Big Angus.

Speaker A: I haven't seen— I haven't seen it yet, but I feel like I saw something where somebody interviewed him after it and like talked about it, which I would love to hear because I didn't— Speaker B: interviewed who after what? Speaker A: Interviewed the speedrunner after he had been caught, like the guy who did the sign, because there's other ones, but the Scientology is the one that went viral, at least That's not what I've seen. Speaker B: I'm sure there's several because everyone else— everyone, when you see the video come up, you're like, this I want to watch now.

Speaker A: Yeah, it's perfect. Speaker B: I want to see what's going on inside of that fucking creepy-ass office. Speaker A: Nothing warms my heart more when the internet is used the way it's supposed to be used. And it's so— it's so rare where it's something that's just straight up funny and doesn't hurt anyone's feelings or offend anyone. It's just stupid funny stuff. And this is— this is a very modern example of that, I feel. Speaker B: Yeah. And if you're one of those stupid teens listening to this right now and your life isn't going well and you're doing bad dumb stuff, channel that and just put it towards stuff that sucks right now.

And we'll try to give you more, more ideas, but stick with religions first and then you can kind of work your way in the pharmaceutical world. You know, if you're— Speaker A: if you, if you, if you end up getting into, to, uh, you know, Pfizer, just grab Jason some Xanax on the way out. But they might pop you. They might pop you for that. That's the problem. You know, Eli Lilly might— Speaker A: if you, if you, if you end up getting into, to, uh, you know, Pfizer, just grab Jason some Xanax on the way out.

But they might pop you. They might pop you for that. That's the problem. You know, Eli Lilly might— Speaker B: see if they got any new shit, any new shit that ain't out out yet, you know what I'm saying, dude? Speaker A: I told you, when I, when I went to— when I was in LA, uh, I went to the CVS on Santa Monica and La Cienega, and they had all these signs about, about no longer stocking promethazine. Like, don't rob us, we don't have it vibes. Like, multiple. Like, I went to the— I walked by the pharmacy section, there were 3 cardboard signs.

Like, not— these aren't like— they didn't like print out a piece of paper and tape it up, you know what I mean? This was like something— they manufactured signs to say, "We don't got lean no mo', please leave us alone." They hired a graphic designer. No, 100%, an in-house graphic designer at CVS definitely made this. It's crazy. Speaker B: It reminds me of like, I'm sure some of our Oakland listeners, Oakland, California, Bay Area listeners can remember when, you know, people just started rolling all their windows down when they'd park their car in a bad neighborhood so that people could go in through, open up all the glove compartments and you know, see that there's no shit without having to smash their, their window.

You know, people would have to replace their car windows, you know, multiple times per week. So everyone would just leave their windows rolled down, cars unlocked. Just like the worst thing that could happen is you're just going to take a nap in here. Speaker A: I remember that. I remember that phase. Speaker B: Same kind of vibe. Speaker A: Once a week on Instagram, somebody's car gets robbed in San Francisco. Like, all my gear was in my car, whether it was, you know, photo gear, whether it was music gear, whatever the gear was, it's always stolen.

Speaker A: I remember that. I remember that phase. Speaker B: Same kind of vibe. Speaker A: Once a week on Instagram, somebody's car gets robbed in San Francisco. Like, all my gear was in my car, whether it was, you know, photo gear, whether it was music gear, whatever the gear was, it's always stolen. Speaker B: That was even before AI. Speaker A: Yeah, it was at whatever, anything, it's always stolen. Laptop, it's gone. This is gone. That's gone. Never fails. Never fails. Speaker B: Now it's like, they stole my coaster.

Um, no, they stole my empty Sightglass cup. Speaker A: Not my Sightglass mug. That's my favorite mug. Speaker B: Speaking of mugs, let's talk about your boy Drake. He, uh, he's on the internet because this doll is refreshed and his body is on fleek. All of his injections are tea. What do you think about this, Chris? Is Iceman season finally thawed out? Speaker A: This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by our best friends at BetterHelp. Jason, we're deep into May, which is Mental Health Awareness Month, and this is just a reminder that whatever you're going through, you don't have to go through it alone.

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I've I mean, look, I never think Drake's face or body looks bad, so I couldn't, you know, I couldn't tell the difference. I mean, some people are saying that he dissolved his abs, which I'm not really sure if that's how that works. But I'm no doctor, but I'm no Terry Dubrow, but I don't think it works like that. Speaker B: Try my 30-minute ab dissolver routine. Speaker A: I don't know if Drake— I think that this is— if this isn't good, it's going— I mean, the thing with this discourse is that he had like a major hit record, whatever, but just no one cared about it.

But it was huge, you know what I mean? Like, since the beef. Speaker B: Nokia. Yeah. Speaker A: Like, I'm not listening to that shit, but it was one of his biggest, if not biggest records ever or something, you know what I mean? Speaker B: I think it's a big on TikTok. Speaker A: So it's like, what, you know, he's not— obviously he's not. But this has to be the thing that he's got to do besides make sure his Botox is up to date is not talk about Kendrick Lamar ever again.

That is the key. That is the key to moving forward for everyone. There's no rap number one song in 2 years or whatever. It's because they can't— like, you have to just move on. Just act like it never happened. There's no reason. If you don't talk about it, people will stop talking about it. I really believe that. I really, really believe that. Speaker B: Take the high road. Speaker A: I don't know if he can do it. I don't know if he can do it. Speaker B: Because he needs to channel his inner Canadian powers because the Canadians often always do take the high road in a conflict, right?

They're always— they bow down, move on, non-confrontational. Speaker B: Take the high road. Speaker A: I don't know if he can do it. I don't know if he can do it. Speaker B: Because he needs to channel his inner Canadian powers because the Canadians often always do take the high road in a conflict, right? They're always— they bow down, move on, non-confrontational. Speaker A: Well, I don't know about all that, but I mean, sometimes, yeah, you know, in theory, yeah. I'm thinking macro. You're thinking a little bit of the micro.

Speaker B: More in and around your living room. Speaker A: Sometimes they have a point. Let me just say, sometimes they have a point, and I agree with them often, you know what I mean? And I like to do chores and stuff, but I don't, um, yeah, I think that if he, if he completely ignored it and just acted like, and just put out a great record with some sporty produced bangers, if he gets Boy Wonda on it, everybody will be happy. That's all people want. He could, he could single-handedly bring rap music back to like the charts.

No, no question. He's the only person. Speaker B: And you know, all of his work with YG, let's wake that up a little bit. He had so many little kind of mid-tempo club bangers for the Thots as well as for the Gang members. Speaker A: The problem is there's no viral regional hits for him to hop on anymore. There's no Migos, there's no Block Boy JB, you know what I mean? There's none of that anymore. I mean, maybe there is. Speaker B: I have to hop on a fucking Olivia Dean song, you know, if he wants to get in the— I read something, there hasn't been a rap song in the top 10 in like a year.

Speaker A: No, that's real. No, that's very real. And you can feel it. That's what I mean. It's we've moved from hip-hop to country, and now it's like GEE season, it's like rock season. Like, that's where we're at in like popular music to some extent. I mean, my girl Ella, you know, as an Ella— Ella's Fella, number one, that's a hit. Speaker A: No, that's real. No, that's very real. And you can feel it. That's what I mean. It's we've moved from hip-hop to country, and now it's like GEE season, it's like rock season.

Like, that's where we're at in like popular music to some extent. I mean, my girl Ella, you know, as an Ella— Ella's Fella, number one, that's a hit. Speaker B: Okay, well, Ella, Ella is a good example of what I think Drake needs to return to, because everyone, everyone claims to know, you know, he needs to get back to the old Drake or whatever, but nobody's telling him exactly what the old Drake what elements of the old Drake he needs to return to because there's so many, you know, petals on his flower.

Speaker A: What is your— what is your favorite Drake? Like, is your— because my favorite Drake is probably the Future out. That, that album is, is probably the one that I could listen to the most. Speaker B: Um, Drake and Future's album What a Time to Be Alive from 2015, 11 years ago. Speaker A: Like, I remember where I was. Like, I stayed up. Like, that's the thing, it was— that's the last time people— he would premiere those on like Apple, his Apple Radio show. People would like stay up. That shit does not anymore at all.

Speaker B: I remember DJing, you know, at the hip-hop club at Los Globos, and even, even like Plastic Bag, even like the slow songs that are not the club bangers would go off. Like, you would play Big Rings, you play Jumpman, Diamond Dancin', Digital Dash, like all the bangers. Speaker A: But even Plastic Bag, dude, Big Rings, Big Rings will make me put my head through a wall right now. That shit is— that shit absolutely rocks. Speaker B: Okay, so you, you like the, the— when Future was linked up up with Drake, that was— I mean, I, you know, I can't disagree with you.

It's like when Cherry and Dr Pepper linked up, you know, good things happen. I think. Speaker A: But even Plastic Bag, dude, Big Rings, Big Rings will make me put my head through a wall right now. That shit is— that shit absolutely rocks. Speaker B: Okay, so you, you like the, the— when Future was linked up up with Drake, that was— I mean, I, you know, I can't disagree with you. It's like when Cherry and Dr Pepper linked up, you know, good things happen. I think. Speaker A: Exactly. Exactly. Great way to put it.

Thank you for— Speaker B: thank you for that. Like whoever decided to put sour cream and onions together. Speaker A: No, you're crazy for that one. You're crazy for that one. Speaker B: Okay, so the— what I think Drake hasn't done in a while that he needs to get back to when he was at his peak. He was being hyper-specific about his perverted advances towards women. He would name these young women by name. Speaker A: We didn't forget about her. We didn't forget. Speaker B: Okay. We haven't forgot. I mean, obviously, you know, the Rihannas and the this and the Millie Bobbies and whatever.

He would, he would call hotties out by name and mention them in songs. So if he, you know, if he's talking about whoever the hotties are now, the Dua Lipas, the Olivia Deans, the If he had a song where he's like, I'm trying to fuck— I want to fuck Sabrina Carpenter like a whatever, you know? Yeah, I want to fuck Sabrina Carpenter like an animal over the Nine Inch Nails beat. Like, if he was just talking about, I'm trying to fuck on Sabrina, I'm trying to fuck on, you know, Rodrigo, whatever.

Speaker A: Oh, that. Yeah, that was a time. You're right. I mean, you know, I was thinking— I was thinking more Courtney from Hooters on Peachtree, just because that touches— that touches my soul. But most people don't know Courtney. Most people don't know Courtney. But it serves the same— it does serve the same purpose where it like, yeah, if he was just like like absolutely 100% thirsting over like a pop star, people— and he's just nasty with it— people would like that. You're right. Sabrina Carpenter is a good example because she's nasty with it too.

Like, she would be— she would be down for that. I think she would be down for that sort of public, uh, back and forth, you know? Damn, this is a good idea, Jason. Speaker A: Oh, that. Yeah, that was a time. You're right. I mean, you know, I was thinking— I was thinking more Courtney from Hooters on Peachtree, just because that touches— that touches my soul. But most people don't know Courtney. Most people don't know Courtney. But it serves the same— it does serve the same purpose where it like, yeah, if he was just like like absolutely 100% thirsting over like a pop star, people— and he's just nasty with it— people would like that.

You're right. Sabrina Carpenter is a good example because she's nasty with it too. Like, she would be— she would be down for that. I think she would be down for that sort of public, uh, back and forth, you know? Damn, this is a good idea, Jason. Speaker B: Fucking on, uh, fucking on Jenny, fucking on Dua, Fuckin' Al Halsey. If he had a song about like, I'm trying to get— I'm trying to Eiffel Tower Lord and Zara Larsson. Speaker A: Boom. Speaker B: You know, straight to the top. Madison Beer in the sheets.

Madison. I got Madison Beer. Speaker A: Madison Beer ain't going to work because he's actually— Speaker B: Bridal Path. I got— I got Beer and Bridal Path. Speaker A: He popped already. He can't— you can't— it can't be— it needs to be someone so white and not— and not really realistic that it really feels like— like Hayley from Paramore or something. Like, let's go really far. Yeah, yeah, let's go really far with it. Speaker B: Got Dome from Rina Sawayamina. Speaker A: It used to— it used to almost be a— it almost used to be a rite of passage, you know what I mean?

Like, if— like, that was part of it, man. Drake, goddamn, bro. Don't even get me started. Redemption— oh, that's my shit. That's the one I like when he sings. Speaker B: If Iceman comes out, track 17 is called Gracie Abrams. So just imagine what that would do on Spotify first day out. Speaker B: If Iceman comes out, track 17 is called Gracie Abrams. So just imagine what that would do on Spotify first day out. Speaker A: He just suns Paul Mescal in the first verse. He says, bro, come on, Paul, you ain't got money like me.

You're a Beatle. I'm a Black Beatle. I don't know I mean, I don't know what I— it's definitely finished. I mean, it comes out in 2 weeks. I mean, I know rappers like to take it out at the last second, but I feel like it's probably— it's probably finished. Speaker B: Yeah, I saw all the brand guidelines. It's got to be close, right? Speaker A: Young people are like, fuck, fuck a rollout, fuck that. I'm like, dude, like, guys, it's fine. Drake's fucking— Drake's 39 years old. Let him tease it for 2 weeks, for Christ's sake.

Speaker B: Like, let him talk the tongue for a little bit before he throws it in. Speaker A: Yeah, I just— I just don't feel like— I'm not asking him to— like, the ice thing was funny. Like, building that huge thing is like funny, actually. And I don't— I just like, you can't— you got to let him do that. It's not like he— I mean, it's not bringing out Theo Von at Stagecoach, but it's, it's close enough for him. Speaker B: Yeah, let, let Badman have a, have a chilly spectacle one time.

Speaker A: I just want to look, guys, I just want to have a chilly spectacle to release my album. That's all I want. Just leave me, leave me be. Just let me do my thing. God damn it. I'm ready though. I'm ready because if it's good, if it's good, it's gonna really be a thing. Thing. Like, if it's even— I would say if it's even 50% as good as the music that we're talking about that he made, people are going to lose their fucking minds because they're so— we're so— it's so dry.

We're in the Sahara for this kind of show. Speaker B: Hopefully he can rewrite the— the— take the word ice back from, from the right, right? Speaker A: I think that's what he's trying to do because this is, you know, he might not be as aware— even though he lives in Houston, you know, he's Canadian— he might not be as aware of the problems we're having down here and the, the power that word holds. Speaker B: Hopefully he can rewrite the— the— take the word ice back from, from the right, right?

Speaker A: I think that's what he's trying to do because this is, you know, he might not be as aware— even though he lives in Houston, you know, he's Canadian— he might not be as aware of the problems we're having down here and the, the power that word holds. Speaker B: Yeah. And also these Canadians, their relationship to ice— oh, very different— frigid temperatures, it hits a much closer to home, down to the bone. Speaker A: Hugely. Oh, hugely different. Speaker B: It's in my DNA. I'm very sorry, but it's in my DNA.

I just needed to tell you this. Speaker A: It's absolutely in my DNA because up in Hamilton, where I grew up in Hamilton, it gets fucking cold. Okay. I mean, it gets fucking freezing up there all winter long. It's fucking cold. So, you know, we got to do what we can there. Speaker B: Okay. You mentioned Theo Von. He was DJing with Diplo at Stagecoach and Waka Flocka and Sydney Sweeney, I guess. Do you know what's, what's going on with State? Because I remember like a year or two ago everyone was like, y'all, low-key Stagecoach is like better than Coachella.

And I feel like that they had like 2, 1, 1.5 years of that. And now, well, I think the gods of indie rock struck Stagecoach down with a violent wind, so they had to like close it down last night. We hope Rebecca Black is okay. Country artist Rebecca Black is okay. Speaker A: People are mad at Zach Bryan. He's like, you fucking idiots, look at this. And there's like a picture where it's like like giant bolts of lightning above the stage and like a full sandstorm. He's like, what the fuck am I supposed to do?

This ain't up to me, you bozos. I mean, I think that this has to do with the— I think country got so popular and then it got sort of co-opted, and then it was everyone who was like, likes it a little bit but is also sort of like, Coachella is for whatever, you know? It's like, Coachella's lib, LGBTQ, the XX, I'm not into that. I'm into fucking— I don't even know who plays Stagecoach, but it's not that country, is it? Speaker A: People are mad at Zach Bryan. He's like, you fucking idiots, look at this.

And there's like a picture where it's like like giant bolts of lightning above the stage and like a full sandstorm. He's like, what the fuck am I supposed to do? This ain't up to me, you bozos. I mean, I think that this has to do with the— I think country got so popular and then it got sort of co-opted, and then it was everyone who was like, likes it a little bit but is also sort of like, Coachella is for whatever, you know? It's like, Coachella's lib, LGBTQ, the XX, I'm not into that.

I'm into fucking— I don't even know who plays Stagecoach, but it's not that country, is it? Speaker B: Not, not, not so much anymore. Speaker A: I mean, besides Diplo, but even the headliners, it's not like the headliners is Dierks Bentley. Speaker B: Yeah, it's like some, like Post Malone is playing today, but they, yeah, they have like Hootie and Journey and Pitbull, Ludacris, Teddy Swims. Speaker A: It's basically just Coachella for, for like, I would say, not far— like middle ground people who think Coachella is for like teenagers. Speaker B: Which is like, okay, okay, middle ground people.

Who does that? Are you talking about that's like in terms of age or in terms of like coolness? Speaker A: Because no, in terms of political beliefs, I'm saying it's— I'm saying it's like Coachella is definitely like the fun, we're gonna do drugs, young Hollywood liberal vibes, like indie, like fuck ICE pin, you know? And then Stagecoach is a little more like Blue Lives Matter. I got 24 Miller Ultra— Miller, you know, Michelob Ultras in the cooler and the Yeti in the, in the, in the big Jeep. I'm not— I'm— look, you guys, like, I'm cool with gay people.

I just— I don't know any, but I'm cool with it type people, type people, you know what I mean? Because, because like Sydney Sweeney is the ultimate version of that where it's like she's not ever going to say anything actually fucked up, but you just— everybody just puts it on her and she doesn't deny it and it works. It's kind of like fine for her. Yeah, her sitting on Scooter Braun's shoulders is something else. I'll tell you what, you guys are too old for that shit. Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I know that it's something beyond Stagecoach.

It's like, like you said, it's become so much more than just country music version of Coachella. Now it's just like kind of everything. Like, is it, is it just, you know, Coachella for more basic people or Coachella for the rest of the people? Or is it like Coachella for people who just don't— Speaker A: I think, I think it's not simpletons, but, you know, I mean, I just think it's like an easier, an easier thing to— like, they're not— Stagecoach is fastball down the middle based on what you just told me.

I mean, you know, it's like I could go to that and have— Speaker B: I mean, we— Speaker A: you and I could go to that and enjoy it. Yeah, it's just, it's not sure totally our thing, whereas like I could go to Coachella and probably enjoy it more, you know what I'm saying? But like, it's, it's, it's— I think all these things are just about experience now, and the music is sort of secondary, but you have to align with one or the other unless you're Diplo. Speaker B: Oh yeah, I mean, we would— we can go there and watch, you like Third Eye Blind and The Wallflowers are playing, you know.

Speaker A: Yeah, it's sick. Speaker B: Book in that with the, with the T-Pain dubstep country DJ set. Speaker A: I would honestly— Speaker B: that what you just said, I'm not unhappy. Speaker A: What you just said to me appeals to me more than Peggy Goo in Sahara or whatever, like real, like actually, you know what I mean? Like The Wallflowers and Third Eye Blind, I would rather see than almost all bands that played Coachella. Yeah. And that's— I mean, I'm, I'm, you know, that's my personal taste obviously, but I just mean like that isn't country music at all, like not even a little bit, like, you know what I mean?

That's just like alternative rock from a different era, which is fine. I mean, that's, you know, but I think it all needs a— I think that like, I guess Stagecoach did a good job of being able to sort of like— I mean, Coachella did too. Coachella used to be Beck and now it's Sabrina Carpenter. Like all of these things just sort of like bob and weave. Speaker B: Yeah, Coachella used to be like, we have a— this tent is for turntablism and scratching, and now it's K-pop, K-pop, K-pop. Speaker A: Yeah, it's so— it's like all of these things sort of shape-shift depending on what the market demands and people.

I think Coachella is such an established brand that, like, like we always talk about, sells out before, you know, it doesn't matter. Like, it just sells out before it has. Speaker B: It, has it been around for so long, whatever, 25 years now or whatever it is, has it been around so long that they now have to consider booking for all these people and their children? Are they like, is that what they're, is that what they're focusing on to try and make sure that they sell out every year before announcing the lineup?

Speaker A: I think every festival would love to sell out before, you know, I think every festival, the goal is. Speaker B: But I mean, they— I mean, is, is that what they're trying to do, like book some, you know, some older legacy? Speaker A: I actually, I actually stuff— I think it's also— Speaker B: or is it just all for the youngs? Speaker A: I think it's just a little bit of like who's available and how much money we got, honestly. I, I think it's a little bit— I, I think it's more about that than it is about like the actual sort of taste curation, I guess.

Because now it's so big, it's like there's something for everybody, like, you know what I mean? If you— there's a— no matter how much of a can— what, no matter how— what you're into, you could buy that ticket if you want to go, and there's at least one or two things you want to see every day no matter what, you know what I'm saying? It doesn't— it doesn't really— if you want to go do drugs with your friends and just have fun, you're— who cares? Like, it's like, yeah, there's gonna— there's at least— if I don't care about Sabrina Carpenter, there's something else I care about, you know what I mean?

So it's like, it doesn't really— it doesn't really matter. It's— I think it's— that's what's so interesting about that, and I think that's what you get for sticking around for so is that you— it's a cultural thing. It has— it almost has nothing to do with the music. Speaker B: Okay. Well, what do you think about the, the Forum Festival in Arcosanti, Arizona? Speaker A: Looks very good. Speaker B: So I guess— really good. Speaker A: I would go. Speaker B: In terms, you know, like if Coachella is, you know, a huge, you know, video, like a CNN or a huge platform, and then Forum is like the TBN of festivals, just a small audience in comparison, but got a lot of heavy hitters on there.

What is the future of Forum? What is the purpose of it? For our listeners at home, it's like a music festival, 2,000, 2,500 attendees, no overlapping sets, and they have Lorde, Turnstile, Geese, Blood Orange Disclosure, a very good, cool, interesting lineup. We've even got the Kooties and Fuckers and FIFIs. Speaker A: The key to that, I think the key to that is that it's so small. So it can never feel like— if you're, you know what I mean, it feels like a very different thing at that scale. And if you can't— if you make that bigger, it just becomes— then it's just another festival.

Speaker B: Okay, so, you know, I mean, obviously the location is so remote. How do they— how do they make sure that only cool people who want to be here? Speaker A: Well, you can't do that. Speaker B: I mean, I think they have to do something because when you have, you know, big groups on like Turnstile and Lorde who sell out stadiums How do you not have 2,500 Lorde fans buy a ticket with their online bots every day? You know, like, how do you— Speaker A: because you put it— because you put it— you're putting it in the middle of nowhere, first of all, and like a psychedelic place that I think a lot of people would not want to go to.

And I also think that fest— I mean, I think that festival in its own way is also a brand. Like, I think it is. I mean, you're right, like, getting these headliners to do— like, big headliners to do it because they think it's cool. I, I mean, I don't know. I, I don't know the answer, but I mean, I think it's like a pretty— it's a cool idea. Like, it sounds— that sounds actually fun. The thing that Imogen does in San Francisco, that also sounds fun. Like, I don't— even though I don't like any of that music, it sounds fun.

Like, it sounds cool. The lineup is good. It feels small. Everything looks good, you know what I mean? I, I just think that's the— I think it's basically gonna— I think what we're gonna get to a point, it's gonna be like, like that kind of shit. And then the, the thing, uh, Newport, like that kind of stuff with all the history. And then it's going to be Lollapalooza, Coachella, Bonnaroo, true. And some of this other stuff, you know, is just going to go away because it's like, I know that people love Kill Bee Block Party or whatever, and the lineups are really good, but I just don't know.

I mean, I just don't know how long we can keep doing festival after festival after festival with basically the same lineup and people, and all of them work. I just don't, I don't know how that's possible. Speaker A: because you put it— because you put it— you're putting it in the middle of nowhere, first of all, and like a psychedelic place that I think a lot of people would not want to go to. And I also think that fest— I mean, I think that festival in its own way is also a brand.

Like, I think it is. I mean, you're right, like, getting these headliners to do— like, big headliners to do it because they think it's cool. I, I mean, I don't know. I, I don't know the answer, but I mean, I think it's like a pretty— it's a cool idea. Like, it sounds— that sounds actually fun. The thing that Imogen does in San Francisco, that also sounds fun. Like, I don't— even though I don't like any of that music, it sounds fun. Like, it sounds cool. The lineup is good. It feels small.

Everything looks good, you know what I mean? I, I just think that's the— I think it's basically gonna— I think what we're gonna get to a point, it's gonna be like, like that kind of shit. And then the, the thing, uh, Newport, like that kind of stuff with all the history. And then it's going to be Lollapalooza, Coachella, Bonnaroo, true. And some of this other stuff, you know, is just going to go away because it's like, I know that people love Kill Bee Block Party or whatever, and the lineups are really good, but I just don't know.

I mean, I just don't know how long we can keep doing festival after festival after festival with basically the same lineup and people, and all of them work. I just don't, I don't know how that's possible. Speaker B: So, so the Forum Festival, 3 days, 2,500-person micro festival in, in Arizona. Each ticket is basically $1,000. You get car camping, complimentary beverages all weekend including alcohol, um, access to all the stages and everything, a tote bag full of goodies. There's no VIP areas, there's no overlapping sets, everyone is all in the same zone.

Speaker A: So I mean, that's cool, it's cool, but no, well, the thing that's going to keep people out is a $1,000 ticket price. I mean, even though I know Coachella is that much, whatever. Speaker B: Yeah, but when you're— but then the problem is only people that can afford these expensive tickets come in. So it's just anyone who has $1,000. And also that means the total ticket revenue, the total revenue period is— oh, I mean, nobody's doing $2.5 million. So then you have to convince all these bands who have, who are on tour all the time to come do, you know, play for basically free.

Speaker A: I mean, they clearly, they clearly have though. It works. I mean, I think it's just like, I think also when you do festivals all the time, you're like, this actually sounds like a good one and it makes sense for our routing, let's fucking do it. Like, it's cool. Oh, it's cool. Like, why not. Like, we're good. I'm either going to be in a fucking, you know, a hotel parking lot with 5 buses and, you know what I mean, or I can go play this thing that's cool with people I like.

I, I think that's a, that's a— I don't know, to me that's a very— that actually appeals to me. I, I probably wouldn't camp in a car, but the rest of it— Speaker B: but, and, but does everyone play for free? Does Zach Fox play for free as well? Speaker A: I don't know. I don't think anybody's— I don't think anybody's playing for free. I'm sure they have big sponsor— I'm sure there's sponsors involved. There's, there's a way to get that done. And, and the ticket, the ticket price feel premium without being like— because you could, in reality, for what you just described, you could charge $2,500 and people would pay it and sell it in an hour.

Speaker B: I agree, I agree. Speaker A: You know, so $1,000 for that is pretty reasonable considering. Speaker B: Also, I, I'm looking at the website and they have the Spotify Fresh Finds stage available. Yeah, that's new independent artists. Speaker B: I agree, I agree. Speaker A: You know, so $1,000 for that is pretty reasonable considering. Speaker B: Also, I, I'm looking at the website and they have the Spotify Fresh Finds stage available. Yeah, that's new independent artists. Speaker A: Hey bro, they're paying— there you go, they're paying for half of it at least.

Speaker B: Answered. Speaker A: But I mean, that's a good— that's smart. Spotify should be a part of something like that. They can't— Spotify can't make an impact at Coachella, like at a big festival like no one knows what's going on, you know what I mean? No one gives a fuck. Speaker B: Yeah. Speaker A: All right, well, we're going to gas up the— gas up the jet. We're going to fucking Arizona. Speaker B: Yeah, if anyone wants to bring us out to do a live podcast or a DJ set, imagine.

Speaker A: Okay, so did you guys take your mushrooms yet? Um, all right, well, um, well, I want to say— I just need to say thank you to the, uh, to the Edition Como family for the weekend. Speaker B: It was— oh yeah, what happened? I didn't even know you were going to Lake Como, Chris. What's up with that? Speaker A: Well, I was in Milan for the the Salone. And then it was the— they planned it so basically that like if anybody that was— they were going to invite, you know, was in Milan.

It's an hour drive from this, which I didn't realize it was that close. Speaker B: It was only an hour. I didn't know that. Speaker A: It's like an hour. And it took this morning to get to Malpensa from Como. It was like an hour and 5 minutes with traffic. It'll be like an hour and a half, but it's really close actually. I didn't— I didn't realize either. Speaker B: Bravo. Speaker A: But yeah, it was nice. They opened— the hotel opened like last week or whatever, and I was sort of on the fence.

I was like, I don't really know how an addition fits in like Como, you know what I mean? Speaker B: Same. Speaker A: Um, but the room was sick and the pool was super nice. And it was like, you know, it's the whole thing. It's just like, it's pretty— I actually was— because when we stay at Villa d'Este, it's like grounds, you know what I mean? It's like grand, and there's all these gardens and shit, which is really nice. But this is like in the city, so it's kind of— I don't know, it's like you, you're looking at the, at the lake and you cross the street to go to the pool, you know what I'm saying?

And it's, it's floating in the lake. I don't know, it was nice. I had it, we had a good time. Speaker B: Same. Speaker A: Um, but the room was sick and the pool was super nice. And it was like, you know, it's the whole thing. It's just like, it's pretty— I actually was— because when we stay at Villa d'Este, it's like grounds, you know what I mean? It's like grand, and there's all these gardens and shit, which is really nice. But this is like in the city, so it's kind of— I don't know, it's like you, you're looking at the, at the lake and you cross the street to go to the pool, you know what I'm saying?

And it's, it's floating in the lake. I don't know, it was nice. I had it, we had a good time. Speaker B: Um, okay, I know exactly what you're talking about. When I was— yeah, it was the same kind of vibe. And it's— you're like, I'm gonna walk down across the street to like the beach area. Speaker A: Yeah, you can go to like a restaurant or go to get a coffee, or it's like, nor— it's like normal, where some of those other places you're like fucking behind a gate and you need a car to go do anything, which I— both have merit obviously for different reasons, you know.

Speaker B: I love the Edition family. I'm not a big Lake Como fan personally, but I'm sure it's enjoyable. Speaker A: And dude, for 3— for 3 days it's amazing. If you're in Milan and it's for 2 days or 3 days, it's pretty great. And the weather was— it was prime time. It was like 70 degrees, sunny. And it was a, it was a pretty funny crew too. Like Jürgen was there with the fucking pink shorts and the blazer for the big party, which I was, I was like, it's not that warm, big dog.

Speaker B: Did you build with Jürgen? Speaker A: Oh yeah, we built, we built with everybody. It was a fun, it was a, it was small. It was like 30 people. So it was a pretty good, like John Paulson was there, Jürgen was there, Julia Hobbs was there. Who else was there? Um, I made a new friend, Osman was there. Um, but yeah, it was a fun, it was, it was a good crew. It was a small, but I just, um, Um, I, you know, when people are like, let's take the boat, you know, let's get on a boat, I'm always like, do we, do we— I mean, what do we get?

What are we gonna do, you know? And then I, and then I— Alex really wanted to go on the boat. I'm like, all right, we'll go on the boat. Everybody, you know, is whatever, it was fine. We're on the boat and it was like, you know, it was 45 minutes and I was like, you know what, this was good. 45 minutes on the boat because the, the lake was too cold to swim in. It's like freezing. Yeah. So it's like you can't stop and jump in and get back. Speaker B: I've done that same boat ride except we had to pay for it.

Speaker A: So I mean, no, I have too. No, I have— no, it's Same, same. I know, same. That's what I'm saying, it's much better. And our driver was hot, which several people on the boat were happy about. Um, but it was a— Speaker B: you mean your captain? Speaker A: Our cap— yeah, I mean, captain is a strong word for what he's— Speaker B: I don't know, what about a skipper? Speaker A: I didn't look at his credentials. Um, I didn't look at his credentials, but, uh, but yeah, he seemed, he seemed qualified enough, you know what I mean?

These guys here, these guys are just doing their thing. Speaker B: Capitano. Speaker A: Yeah, but I'm, I'm happy to be back. I was I was gone for like 2 weeks. I went from Virginia to LA to Milan to Como, which is a twisted little itinerary. Speaker B: Oh, that's you and Pharrell the only people on that same run. Speaker A: Yeah, deadass. Where's my Speedy, bitch? I'm on the Pharrell flight. Come on now. Come on. Like Pharrell, the Pharrell. Speaker B: TSA mishandled my carrot bag and I'm filing a claim right now.

Speaker A: Here we go again, these fucking guys. Uh, yeah, but it was, um, I, I just— the weather, I'm just— New York winter has been so bad and I feel like Tomorrow's gonna be nice and the rest of the week it's about— yeah, I just feel like I was on a good run. Virginia was beautiful, LA was beautiful, you know, I just had a really— had a good run. So I'm upset, but here we are, you know, we'll survive. Speaker B: Run done now, bitch. You gotta hang out in your dumb house that was recently featured on How to Spend It, the Financial Times' best and first and best column every week.

Your favorite as well. How did it feel to be featured in your favorite publication. Speaker B: Run done now, bitch. You gotta hang out in your dumb house that was recently featured on How to Spend It, the Financial Times' best and first and best column every week. Your favorite as well. How did it feel to be featured in your favorite publication. Speaker A: I mean, I really do think that's the best. So I was pretty happy. I mean, it's— I'm, I'm very happy, of course. And I mean, I just think that like, it's so— I forget the newspapers are so thorough, you know what I mean?

Like, there was like a— I talked to Charlie, the guy who wrote it, who I know a little bit, you know, talked to him for probably an hour and a half, like a month and a half ago, you know what I mean? And then the fact-checking was multiple emails where it was really funny because Joe like included it in her letter, or her letter from the editor, and they were like, so would you describe— would you say that you live in a concrete box with not many furnishings? I was like, well, I don't, I don't know if that's necessarily a fact.

Speaker B: Who the fuck said that? Speaker A: Yeah, I was like, I don't think that's, that's super accurate. We do have a full, you know, there's— it is concrete floors, you know what I mean? Um, but it was that, that part was really funny. It was like multiple emails, like, about also like funny like, how would you describe— like, they wanted me to really get into the nitty-gritty of what Joe Budden talked about because I mentioned that was the podcast I listened to. And I was like, guys, I can't.

I don't even know how— your, your readers are already gonna think I'm a dumbass, so I don't know how they're gonna even— whatever I say about Joe Budden is gonna go right. Speaker B: No one wants the irony of you finally being featured in the Financial Times and they want to ask you about the Joe Budden podcast. Well, I— Speaker B: No one wants the irony of you finally being featured in the Financial Times and they want to ask you about the Joe Budden podcast. Well, I— Speaker A: well, I talk— Speaker B: I— Speaker A: it's my fault.

I, I fucking— I'm the one You said it, and they were like, we need more detail. And I'm like, well, I don't— guys, I don't really know if you want more detail. Honestly, I can't even— I don't know where to start. Sometimes more detail is bad. Speaker B: Old school music is always a vibe. That's, that's what you need to know. Financial Times. Speaker A: It's so funny you said that because the reason that's the name of the episode is because he DM'd some like hot chick back because she had a song in her, and his girlfriend got mad at him.

Speaker B: That is the— okay, so if you see a baddie posting Posting a song from the '70s, you know, The Temptations, you know, that's literally Smokey Robinson. And then you reply, hey, old school music is always a vibe. Speaker A: That's literally what happened. That's literally what happened. It's so fucking funny. It killed me because it does sound like a fake— it just sounds like a sentence you would say to make fun of someone. It really, it really sounds like something you would say as a joke. Speaker B: In his mind, he's like, guaranteed panty dropper.

Speaker A: No problem. Speaker B: She's either going to reply with her phone number, hotel room number, or nudes. I don't know which one, or all three, probably. Speaker A: I don't know. I believe that he did conclude with her leaving him on read, which, which made me feel good actually, that it didn't, that it did not work. Speaker B: The freedom that he flows through life making millions of dollars a year talking about how his wife gets mad at him for trying to fuck other girls on Instagram. And that's what you, that's how you pay your mortgage.

Speaker B: The freedom that he flows through life making millions of dollars a year talking about how his wife gets mad at him for trying to fuck other girls on Instagram. And that's what you, that's how you pay your mortgage. Speaker A: I mean, I don't think, I don't think he, that's the thing. I don't think he's even really trying to. He just can't help himself. You know, I think he just can't. He's just, he's just a, He's just trying to talk, you know what I'm saying? He wants to make friends.

Speaker B: And that probably enables his, his, um, philandering even more so. Speaker A: Black men don't cheat though, so that's, that, that's something, that's something I've learned. Speaker B: He's saying this, this cheating bought that Hermès, but you know, this cheating keeping the light bill on, you know. You want me to stop cheating? I'll have nothing to talk about on the show, then we'll have to move, move back to the one bedroom. Speaker A: We gotta, we gotta move back. Yeah, he's, I mean, he's been building a $10 million house for 5 years, so she, they might still be in the one bedroom, for all I know.

Um, all right, How Long Gone, com is the website. Uh, we are back next week with some more podcasts. Uh, thank you for joining me today, Jason, and, um, pleasure. Pray for, pray for, you know, the White House and everybody in Washington, you know what I'm saying? I hope you guys— Speaker B: Fetterman, I hope you got your little plate. Speaker A: Fetterman, I hope you got your plate. I know you were wearing shorts. I didn't— I couldn't see your legs in the picture, but I'm just gonna assume you kept it 100 even when you're in Washington.

Um, thank you guys. Speaker B: Good hoodie to that one. Speaker A: Good hoodie. Thank you guys for listening. Uh, we really appreciate it, and we will talk to you next week. Speaker B: Au revoir. Get a plastic bag, go ahead and pick up all the cash. Go ahead and pick up all the cash. Speaker A: You danced all night, girl, you deserve it. Speaker B: Good hoodie to that one. Speaker A: Good hoodie. Thank you guys for listening. Uh, we really appreciate it, and we will talk to you next week.

Speaker B: Au revoir. Get a plastic bag, go ahead and pick up all the cash. Go ahead and pick up all the cash. Speaker A: You danced all night, girl, you deserve it. Speaker B: Get a plastic bag, go ahead and pick up all the cash. Go ahead and pick up all the cash. You danced all night, girl, you deserve it. Speaker A: Oh yeah.