933. - Chris & Jason

Speaker A: All right, uh, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it 3 times a week. Jason, does that sound familiar to you? Speaker B: We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place.

Speaker A: All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcasts or watch on YouTube. How Long Gone, uh, coming back at you, a rare Saturday morning recording due to scheduling issues. Um, that is not going to stop us from bringing you the best of the best. Isn't that right, Jason? Speaker B: That's right. We're still going to do a podcast. Saturday, Sunday, it doesn't really matter. You're going to be flying back home to New York tomorrow. I'm going to be waking up chipper as a titmouse.

Speaker A: I'm flying to Milan tomorrow. I'm flying to— Speaker B: Oh, I got a 12-hour— Me scusi. Speaker A: I got a 12-hour— It's a long story. Got a nice little layover in Frankfurt though. I don't think I've ever been there. So I'll kick the tires on that. Speaker B: Okay. Speaker A: I will somehow still feel better than you on Monday. I don't know. Speaker B: Oh, I got a 12-hour— Me scusi. Speaker A: I got a 12-hour— It's a long story. Got a nice little layover in Frankfurt though.

I don't think I've ever been there. So I'll kick the tires on that. Speaker B: Okay. Speaker A: I will somehow still feel better than you on Monday. I don't know. Speaker B: I don't know if that's true or not. It's a little bit of a toss-up still. There's a chance that I party responsibly tonight. Speaker A: Dude, if you're a 40s man driving to Coachella for one day, I want you to OD. Otherwise, what's the point? Like, I'm a little bit— Speaker B: Okay. Speaker A: I want you to link up with Fake Meek and Hunter Biden and see what they're smoking on.

You know what I mean? I think you need to— Speaker B: Let me— Can I finish? Can I finish? Speaker A: Sorry. Speaker B: Let me be clear. Speaker A: I got excited. Speaker B: Yeah. So I do plan on finding Fake Mink, you know, cowering in a corner like a little scared raccoon when the headlights hit him. I do want to build with Hunter, of course, you know, finally get him a date on the calendar to do How Long Gone. But I think it's more so I'm going to do it.

I'm going to rage Juicy J style. I'm going to party. Like Slater, but then at a certain point we're going to start preparing for landing. So get it in, get it out. So, so I'm not going to be like on my Fiend shit at 3:40 AM, you know, like trying to— Speaker A: what time do the Strokes— Speaker B: chew on a Benadryl to go to sleep. Speaker A: What time do the Strokes play, like 10? Speaker B: Probably something like that. Yeah. Speaker A: Oh yeah. You can— then you can be out of there because, because you're not— you're Bieber's tonight, right?

Speaker A: what time do the Strokes— Speaker B: chew on a Benadryl to go to sleep. Speaker A: What time do the Strokes play, like 10? Speaker B: Probably something like that. Yeah. Speaker A: Oh yeah. You can— then you can be out of there because, because you're not— you're Bieber's tonight, right? Speaker B: Uh-huh. But, you know, I mean, I plan— no, I plan on rocking until the end of the night, but I'm just going to like— I will— my highest point will be behind me by the time, you know, the end is there.

Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. Speaker B: Mainly because I got to drive. I got to drive back to the hotel, you know? Speaker A: Yeah, I— you can't because you can't walk, right? Speaker B: No, no. I mean, it's like Imogene told Carolyn, it's like a [redacted address] from Palm Springs to the festival. Speaker A: Oh man. Speaker B: So, you know, it'll be, it'll be 2 to 3 hours from my house to the hotel in Palm Springs, 2 to 3 hours from hotel to— yeah, yeah, India. Speaker A: That's, uh, man, you're a better man than me.

There ain't nothing you could do to get me down there. Well, here's my thing, once a band like The Strokes announces the tour— Speaker B: special thanks to PJ, by the way, over at Golden Voice for blessing me up, we love you. Speaker A: Once this— once the the band announces the tour, then Coachella is completely obsolete for an adult. That's kind of the— that's what I— unless you're already committed, there's no reason to go deal with that when you can go see them in a controlled environment where they play more, actually.

Yeah, well, I would assume they play more. Speaker B: She— it's not just The Strokes, you know. She's getting swept up into Coachella the culture. Speaker A: Well, that's a— that's a bigger issue. That's a bigger issue. Speaker B: She— it's not just The Strokes, you know. She's getting swept up into Coachella the culture. Speaker A: Well, that's a— that's a bigger issue. That's a bigger issue. Speaker B: That's the worst part. You still read Levsets' newsletter, he said that Coachella itself is the draw, not, not the bands anymore. Speaker A: After I— after Bob Levsets started talking about his, like, liver, I had to— once, once he did 3 newsletters in a row about going to the hospital with Lena Dunham-style details in the, in the, in the newsletter, I was like, Bob, I think— look, I know you've got an audience that loves you, but we don't love you that much.

You know, I've been reading Bob Levsets for 15-plus years. I don't care how your kidneys are doing. I care that you think Coachella, the culture is more— that is exactly what he should be talking about. Speaker B: I want to know your thoughts on the new Kacey Musgraves video. I don't want to hear about how fast you filled up the colostomy bag this week. That's literally— Speaker A: it's like when he hits you with the skiing version or the colostomy bag version, it's tough not to read because it feels so crazy.

And honestly, it feels more confessional than like some of these influencers that, that their job is to talk about this kind of stuff. It feels so— because he's not doing it performatively, he's doing it in a way that he, he has no, he has no realization about how it actually looks. Speaker B: It's powerful. It's, it's plain old— it's, that's what, that's the beauty of blogging. It's like, a thing happened to me today and I'm gonna write about it and you're gonna read all of it because you like this, versus like I had a miscarriage 18 months ago.

Here's my story. And then it's like, you know, and we have to do like a photo shoot for it. Speaker B: It's powerful. It's, it's plain old— it's, that's what, that's the beauty of blogging. It's like, a thing happened to me today and I'm gonna write about it and you're gonna read all of it because you like this, versus like I had a miscarriage 18 months ago. Here's my story. And then it's like, you know, and we have to do like a photo shoot for it. Speaker A: Yeah, Bob. Yeah, maybe that's the difference is Bob isn't giving us the fucking gurney selfie to kind of illustrate what's going on.

Speaker B: Oh, you don't want to see me with his body. Speaker A: I mean, those were shocking. Those were— we didn't even talk about it. Speaker B: Those were— Speaker A: that was a shocking week of emails because I've learned so much from him. But The skiing, like I said, the skiing and the body stuff, I can sort of, I can skip those. I don't think I have to open those. Speaker B: Okay. We want him to re-versify his content, not diversify. Just versify it back to the, you know, you talking about music law.

Speaker A: I just want him to, I want him to post, you know, he always posts the responses from his readers. I want to repost the former radio programmer from Dallas who responds to everything. What is he saying about the penis surgery or whatever? Speaker B: Maybe this is, Maybe this is your time to chime in, Chris. Get into the comments. Speaker A: I will never— Speaker B: Maybe you'll be read aloud. Speaker A: I will never tangle with Leftsets again because you lose no matter what. Leftsets is a battle royale that no one comes out on top except him.

Speaker B: Mm-hmm. When you argue with fools, nobody can tell who is who, right? Speaker B: Maybe you'll be read aloud. Speaker A: I will never tangle with Leftsets again because you lose no matter what. Leftsets is a battle royale that no one comes out on top except him. Speaker B: Mm-hmm. When you argue with fools, nobody can tell who is who, right? Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, if it's, you know, I'm reading, I'm on com reading about underplays. So I'm just so deeply entrenched in the voices of the music business.

It's been a tough— couple weeks. Speaker B: Why are bands suddenly classic or trash? Why do they have to sell out or else they're over? Speaker A: I just didn't know. I guess under— I mean, underplay is definitely like an industry term, but it's a pretty easy thing to understand, you know what I mean? Like what that, what that means. But I, I guess that it is, uh, so, uh, we're in a— like, for example, one of your faves, Meghan Trainor, had to cancel her arena tour because she's just feeling overwhelmed.

But of course the fans are pulling up the Ticketmaster and the shit is all blue. Shit looks like your Magna bottle right now. You know what I mean? Speaker B: It don't— Speaker A: this shit don't look— there ain't no specks of white in that shit. Speaker B: So, okay, more blue than Nipsey Hussle gravestone. Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's bluer than the interior of Nipsey's G-Wagon. It's bad. It's bad. And I— but I think that the— I read this, you know, 1,000-word article in Bloomberg yesterday about underplays and how, like, you know, it used to be you could just sell out part of your tour and that was okay.

And I'm here to say that that's still okay. That's what I'm trying— I don't think that that— it's like, it's sort of the way that Supreme ruined— like, think everybody thought everything had to sell out all the time. Speaker B: Yeah. Speaker A: For it to be successful. And that's just not necessarily the case. Like, obviously financially you want to sell out, optically you want to sell out, but it's, you know, having a couple hundred tickets left over is not the end of the world, especially when the venue is that big.

Speaker B: Yeah. And that, and that culture created the, the kind of dropshipping. We're going to put this up for a week and then, you know, print them and ship it after. I feel like they want to do that with concerts now. They want to be like, how many of y'all want to buy a ticket? And then we'll find the venue, you know, based on how many we sold. Speaker A: Dude, great idea. Great idea. We're going to do a presale, but no, no, not presale like that. We're going to just pick the venue after you guys tell us how much you like us.

Based on that feedback, honestly. Speaker B: And I wonder if that'll— if like the fan base will be like, all right, we want to see, you know, we want to see Deadmau5 at Red Rocks, but so many people bought tickets, they're going to have to upgrade the venue to where the Denver Nuggets play. And you have to go on the Reddit and say, no, no, no, don't— we don't— we have to cap it at 7,000 tickets, you guys. And, you know, like a swarm of ants or the other way, like we got to bump it up.

Sugar Ray's not gonna, uh, they're not gonna sell at the Indiana County Fair week 2, and, uh, we gotta mobilize. Speaker A: There was like a, a '99 cruise, like, like a '99 Hard Rock cruise, and it was like— Speaker B: you mean like music from the year 1999? Speaker A: Yeah, here we go, hold on. This is— this shit is crazy, this shit is crazy. Summer of '99, the summer of '99 and beyond. Creed, Breaking Benjamin, Seven Dust, Shinedown, Hoobastank, Our Lady Peace, Hinder, Fuel, Drowning Pool, Fastball, Sponge, The Flies, Ashes of Billy, plus more to be announced.

And it is— Speaker B: you mean like music from the year 1999? Speaker A: Yeah, here we go, hold on. This is— this shit is crazy, this shit is crazy. Summer of '99, the summer of '99 and beyond. Creed, Breaking Benjamin, Seven Dust, Shinedown, Hoobastank, Our Lady Peace, Hinder, Fuel, Drowning Pool, Fastball, Sponge, The Flies, Ashes of Billy, plus more to be announced. And it is— Speaker B: I know, I know like [redacted address] who are probably going to go to this. Actually, my neighbor Kevin, he just went on a cruise with his family.

If I show him this and he knows that he could have seen Breaking Benjamin somewhere in the Caribbean instead of hanging out with his family, he's going to be so pissed. Speaker A: He's like, you're telling me I could have gone on a boat and seen Breaking Benjamin and these badass kids wouldn't be with me? I, I was just— when I saw this, I was like, man, I, I know this will make so much money. Like, I'm sure this will pre-sale out, no question. Like, all these cruises do. I think that's why they exist.

Speaker B: Sure. Speaker A: But it, it's a, it's a strange— like, I wouldn't even go on this to, to experience it. Like, it's too, it's too gross. Speaker B: How much money would you— would it take for you to, to do that? Speaker A: A lot, honestly. And I, I do— out of curiosity, I, I can't even— Speaker B: I don't— Speaker A: I'm not familiar with, um with the Norwegian Joy boat and what the offerings are as far as the amenities of the actual cruise ship. If I was in the Scott— if I was in the Scott Stapp suite, they were able to sort of isolate me.

And, you know, I had my own gym and stuff. I could see myself getting through it. Speaker B: But if it had like concierge service, like you would have like a little boat bring you on board every day so you don't have to wait in the line with the cattle. Speaker B: But if it had like concierge service, like you would have like a little boat bring you on board every day so you don't have to wait in the line with the cattle. Speaker A: Yeah, I don't have to. I actually leave the boat every day and night.

I'm never on the boat. Speaker B: He's got like a cute little sail, like a little Chris-Craft. He just putters onto the shores of Positano with sails wide open. Speaker A: We'll call it with sails wide open. I don't. But just, yeah, just imagine hitting the breakfast buffet and running into, you know, a guy, a guy with a braided ponytail touching his ass. It's just, it's every, every, every— Speaker B: touching his ass, digging in his butt at the French toast stick line. Speaker A: The fuck is this dude? His fucking— I mean, just every t-shirt has the sleeves cut off.

Not one person has a t-shirt with sleeves. It's that kind of vibe. But these things really sell. And I guess that if you— Speaker B: There's going to be a How Long Gone cruise at some point. I fear it. Speaker A: The cruise element makes it crazy to me. Like, the music festival element is crazy enough. It's like you're trapped in a fucking repeating loop of 3 days of bands you don't want to see until you finally get to see the one you want to see. And it's sort of like you're just wandering around, you know what I mean?

Whereas the, the boat, it gives it more structure, but it feels like you're also in a jail cell. Speaker B: Oh, well, 1,000%. I want to know, how can the money for this shit be so good that they, they are willing to do this? Because I, I think even if you're a, a dork ass, this is hard for you. Speaker A: You're saying as a fan, but I think you're forgetting these fans. Speaker B: No, no, I mean, I'm saying as, as, as one of the bands playing You know, like, yeah, how much money can Breaking Benjamin really make off of this cruise that, you know, whatever, 2,000 people or whatever it is?

Speaker A: You're saying as a fan, but I think you're forgetting these fans. Speaker B: No, no, I mean, I'm saying as, as, as one of the bands playing You know, like, yeah, how much money can Breaking Benjamin really make off of this cruise that, you know, whatever, 2,000 people or whatever it is? Speaker A: No, I think it's more like— I think it's a lot more than 2,000 people, actually. I think it's, I think it's pretty big. But I think also that the— I think that if you're a band and you're like, I can get paid X, but I— we load in once, we don't have to— you know what I mean?

There's no, like, it's, it's, it's like, it's like Harry doing 30 nights at MSG. It's like, I don't have to move my shit. I just show up and play. You know, it feels like that kind of situation too. Speaker B: Norwegian Joy holds around 3,700. Speaker A: Okay. Speaker B: A little more. Speaker A: That's not— I thought it was more like 5, but you're right. That's not— but the tickets are expensive, of course. Speaker B: I know, but like truly how— like how— like the bass player for Hoobastank, what's he walking away with to be held captive on a boat for a week?

Speaker A: That's a great question. Speaker B: Well, the worst super fans of his life. Bug him for a photo at every corner. You're stuck in your room jacking off and smoking meth. No, his time to go on stage, pure hell for what, $8,000? Speaker A: It's got to be more than that. And maybe, and I also think, I mean, it might lose money, you know, the first couple of years or whatever, you know what I mean? That's not uncommon. That's not uncommon in this world, but it's a, it's a very interesting development that there's a new one every day, kind of, you know what I mean?

There's like, there's literally a new one every day with a very certain subset of music to offer a very certain subset of people. Speaker B: What hopefully by the time that there is the How Long Gone cruise, the Going Going Gone voyage, there we will find a way to make the cruise enjoyable again. We will fix the broken cruise industry and make cruising great again. I heard it when I said it. Speaker A: I've never, I've never been on a cruise. You've never been on a cruise, right? Speaker B: Fuck no.

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com/howlong. Speaker A: I don't think I could— I don't think I could do that. It feels like you're in a plane bathroom for 3 days, you know what I mean? That's what it feels— that's like what I imagine it feeling like. Speaker B: Well, it's a plane bathroom that you are allowed to vape in, so like for a lot of these people, that's a pretty good trade-off. Speaker A: That is— that— do you think people are getting away with vaping on the plane? Like, is it still Like, can you get away with that all flight if you're slick with it?

Speaker B: Well, I heard a tale. Somebody that somebody I know knows was on a— I feel like I'm talking about who's going to take a helicopter to Noma right now. I got a— it's a minefield. But they were flying. I think it was like New York to LA on the Delta flight. Person has Delta status. It was a work trip for a shoot or something like that, perhaps. So, you know, the crew, the talent, you know, everyone, all the same people are on the same flight going, gets, goes to the bathroom, vapes in the bathroom.

And then the plane, the alarm immediately starts going off. Oh shit. And then this person, you know, leaves the bathroom, walks back to their seat, you know, and probably doing a little, oh, what's going on? Speaker B: Well, I heard a tale. Somebody that somebody I know knows was on a— I feel like I'm talking about who's going to take a helicopter to Noma right now. I got a— it's a minefield. But they were flying. I think it was like New York to LA on the Delta flight. Person has Delta status.

It was a work trip for a shoot or something like that, perhaps. So, you know, the crew, the talent, you know, everyone, all the same people are on the same flight going, gets, goes to the bathroom, vapes in the bathroom. And then the plane, the alarm immediately starts going off. Oh shit. And then this person, you know, leaves the bathroom, walks back to their seat, you know, and probably doing a little, oh, what's going on? Speaker A: Oh, this is crazy. Speaker B: Is everything okay? Do I miss something? I was just in the restroom.

Did something happen? And then, you know, the flight attendant's like, you were vaping in the bathroom. You know, it smells like candy in there. And, you know, we kind of— this happens like every single flight. Speaker A: It smells like Haribo in the bathroom and you look guilty. So just, let's just get this over with. Speaker B: Smell like Nerds Rope in there when it normally smells like pure piss. So, you know, something's going on. You know, plane lands, air marshal, everyone stays in the seat. We got to walk this person out of 4B or whatever it is.

Um, and I think they got the— I think the reason why they do all of that is to like scare them straight, discourage— it never happens again. But I think they didn't get arrested or anything, they just got like a warning and a slap on the wrist. But they said that the good people at Delta will contact them, you know, within the next couple weeks to assess what the, uh, you know, oh, potential consequences and outcome. Speaker A: So Johnny Law is cool with it, but Delta gets to do the punishing.

Speaker B: I mean, what, what, what would you rather do, lose all of your status and miles or like spend 3 days in jail? Speaker A: 3 days in jail. No question. I do 3 days, 3 days, 3 days in JFK jail. I mean, that's a, that dude, who knows what would happen? That could be an amazing experience for me. Speaker B: There's a chapter. I'll do it. You're like after, after the Jeremy O'Harris episode, you're like, I'm trying to get locked up all the time, bro. Speaker A: I'm trying to get locked up for minor offenses.

Speaker B: That's like, in America you get a phone call and you get to sign into your Grammarly account. It's really smooth. Speaker A: Yeah, it's actually perfect. It's actually perfect. They give you a desktop. It's a little clunky. Yeah, I didn't know what they— I figured the air marshal was a little performative. I didn't think they were going to arrest you for vaping on the plane unless you aggressively argued afterwards. But that is a twisted little tale. Speaker B: So all that is to say, beware because that one little— and also getting perp walked in front of you know, the production crew that may have hired you and all of your, the people that you work with.

Speaker A: Can I ask, and you can bleep this out, was this person integral to this shoot, this job, or was it someone maybe that could be replaced because of their vape offense? Speaker B: I don't know, but from the context clues, it's definitely leaning more replaceable to the left, to the left. Speaker A: See, that's the word. If it's the boss, You know, if it's the photographer that's flown in from Germany, it's like, all right, well, fuck it, whatever. He's the boss. But yeah, if you're the second assistant, if you're the digital tech, you can't be the two trans twins from Düsseldorf.

Speaker B: I don't know, but from the context clues, it's definitely leaning more replaceable to the left, to the left. Speaker A: See, that's the word. If it's the boss, You know, if it's the photographer that's flown in from Germany, it's like, all right, well, fuck it, whatever. He's the boss. But yeah, if you're the second assistant, if you're the digital tech, you can't be the two trans twins from Düsseldorf. Speaker B: We're going to let that one slide. No problem. But you can't. Speaker A: Yeah, you can't be the— you can't be the digi tech.

Speaker B: If it's the fourth hair artist, then sayonara. Speaker A: Hair artist. I love that. I'm a hair artist. Oh, God, it's so funny. Speaker B: Yeah, what— okay, um, I had, I had a theory. I was reading that headline about Zoran. He was like posting his, um, his like music royalties. Yeah, because he has to make his like tax return public as a government official or whatever. And I, I had a fun theory. Do you think the— it's, it's a long game play that Zoran became governor of New York as a way to sort of boost his rap career and profile?

Speaker A: I would— I mean That would endear him quite a lot to me if that is what his goal was. Speaker B: What a roundabout way, because that means he loves hip-hop more than just about anyone. Speaker A: He might love hip-hop that much. Speaker B: I mean, his desire to be in the cypher, you know, he'll outwork you. Speaker A: I haven't listened to his music before. Have you? Speaker B: I have not. I have not. Speaker A: That's kind of weird that neither of us have, honestly, because it's really out there and available for us to listen to.

It feels like something we should have done when he was campaigning just to understand where he's coming from. Speaker A: I haven't listened to his music before. Have you? Speaker B: I have not. I have not. Speaker A: That's kind of weird that neither of us have, honestly, because it's really out there and available for us to listen to. It feels like something we should have done when he was campaigning just to understand where he's coming from. Speaker B: And I would like somebody out there, you know, a nice music service journalist person out there, if you could make a little graph so I could see the sort of before and after what his Spotify monthly plays are before and after he, you know, began running for office and becoming governor of New York.

Speaker A: That is, oh wow. Yeah, I'm sure there's been, I'm sure somebody's tracking that. I'm sure there's somebody. Speaker B: So that's basically Jared Kushner level sort of insider. Trading stuff, right? Speaker A: We can get him out of there for less. So we definitely get him out for this. I mean, you know, oh, you fix some potholes. How about all this fucking money you're taking from Spotify, the evil corporation? Like you're not even on Bandcamp because it's crazy. Speaker B: He made like a little over $1,000 in royalties, which is honestly more than a lot of y'all are making on your royalties.

Speaker A: Do you think, did he say that, did he say that he was going to donate it to a cause of any kind or he's going to put that money? Speaker B: I don't know. I don't know. I don't think he did. I don't think he made any comment on that whatsoever. That's actually crazy. Speaker A: That's actually crazy for him to not give that money back to someone. Speaker B: What do you mean? He earned it. Speaker A: I don't give a fuck. You can't be, you should be on Bandcamp first of all.

You should be on Tidal or Bandcamp. You cannot be on Spotify. Speaker B: It's not like he had like a hit record in the '90s and he can eat off that forever. Being a governor, I don't think you make very much money. Speaker B: What do you mean? He earned it. Speaker A: I don't give a fuck. You can't be, you should be on Bandcamp first of all. You should be on Tidal or Bandcamp. You cannot be on Spotify. Speaker B: It's not like he had like a hit record in the '90s and he can eat off that forever.

Being a governor, I don't think you make very much money. Speaker A: No, he does aight. I mean, his wife be shopping. So somebody's making money. She's buying independent designers online. Speaker B: Supporting small biz. It's a write-off. Speaker A: I got to listen to this. Speaker B: It's an integral part to my career. Speaking of donating da money, I think Moby said he donated all of his money for his Coachella shows. Speaker A: That's how— you know how much you got to hate yourself to donate all your money from Coachella?

Like, that is— Speaker B: well, I mean, either that or, as I was saying a second ago, made a bunch of money in the '90s when the most getting was goodest. Bro. You know, is it possible that he just has that much money? Speaker A: Oh, it's definitely 100% that he has that. He has plenty of money. I'm just saying that becoming a guy like Moby going from beloved to reviled in the public eye and then giving all your money away to a vegan charity or whatever from, from your Coachella performance is not— I don't know if you're doing that in pure of heart reasons necessarily.

I think you're doing that because people will always say, have that caveat now when they're talking shit about you, you know what I mean? It's like, oh, Moby's a fucking dick, but I mean, at least you donate all that money, you know, that, that's That feel— because like, also, you're— I mean, not that I don't love an animal rights charity, but you know, we got more important fish to fry. Speaker B: Now I'm hungry. Speaking of being anti-PETA, I would love to eat some fish right now. Yeah, I— we don't know what he donated to, but obviously, I know, I think according to his tattoos, I think all he does— Speaker A: I think all he donates money to is the animal rights.

I think that's his whole— I think— I mean, I'm sure there's plenty. Plenty of other causes. Once he shut down all the restaurant ventures, you know, it freed up a lot of capital to kind of move around. Speaker B: Yeah, the vegan tea shop, not a, not a capital generator. Speaker A: Dude, Teeny's OG though. Teeny's the GOAT. I, Teeny could come back for sure. Well, if he had the stomach for it. Speaker B: I'll, I guess I think that Moby is back in the good graces after watching him at Coachella, I was, I was blown away by how many people were, you know, eating out of his palm and how he did a better job at performing than, than most people I saw.

Speaker A: Because he's a real, because he's a real fucking DJ. These guys, like, he's been doing this for fucking 30 years. Speaker B: He did a full live set with singers and dancers and tons of musicians. It was, but he was doing, it was impressive. Speaker A: It sounded like, but he did play. I mean, he played like hits, right? Speaker B: Oh yeah, he played all of his hits. Yeah, I mean, I forgot how many hits he had, but he truly slayed. Speaker A: Moby rocks. I'm a Moby apologist forever.

I don't understand what people like. I don't think— Speaker B: I think what happened was he said that he went on a couple dates with, what's her name, Natalie Portman. Got another bun in the oven with the baby daddy's got the funniest fucking name I've ever heard in my life. Speaker A: Moby rocks. I'm a Moby apologist forever. I don't understand what people like. I don't think— Speaker B: I think what happened was he said that he went on a couple dates with, what's her name, Natalie Portman. Got another bun in the oven with the baby daddy's got the funniest fucking name I've ever heard in my life.

Speaker A: Name that, bro. Speaker B: I got to look it up again. But there he like wrote in his memoir that they like hung out a couple of times and she replied, ew, no. And then everyone just— Speaker A: it's literally crazy. Speaker B: He was a rapist. Speaker A: Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. I mean, Natalie Portman is a national treasure that people love, and they— and she was young, you know, she was like 20 or something. So it's like people were like, oh, he, you know, blah blah blah.

Meanwhile, you know Natalie Portman was hitting her agent like, I want to get on the list for Moby. I want— you know what I mean? That Moby, Moby, trust me, that little dork ain't, ain't hollering it. The chicks are coming to him, and I don't think he's really— I don't think he's— Speaker B: you know, I don't know. I mean, Natalie Portman back in the day, I I'm— I think that Moby was definitely a little bit of a slimy little man, but, you know, kind of in the same way where Aziz got like soft canceled for like taking a girl to a restaurant and then trying to kiss her after or whatever.

Um, but we're not going to get into the, to the rich details of it, but, um, I think that Moby, his— like that, all that music, like that '90s kind of trancey electronica stuff all the old DJs and music that they're playing is so back now. And I think people like the younger generation doesn't even know about, you know, Portman Gate, tried to touch my boobie at Little Doms or whatever happened, you know. So they're just like this little bald creepy guy is sick. Okay. Yeah. Natalie Portman, baby daddy, tan guy, D-Stable.

Speaker A: Damn. Okay. That's a Discord name. Speaker B: Which it's a French name. So I guess it's Tanguy. Speaker A: But is he hot? I'm sure he's hot or rich? What's his— what's the story? Speaker B: He's not not cute. Speaker A: Yeah, I'm sure he's good looking. Speaker B: Oh wait. Speaker A: Was he in a band? Speaker B: He's a musician named Tepr, T-E-P-R, whose remixes I have played. Speaker A: Oh my God. Speaker B: Damn, his name is Tanguy Destable. Speaker A: You're telling me Tanguy Destable is a DJ who's— it's in your record box right now?

You talked all that shit and you got this motherfucker's— Speaker B: No, this is like blog house, like 2006 type shit. Speaker A: But he's like OG. Speaker B: Yeah, did that. He worked with who was it? Speaker A: Yelle. Okay, sure. Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? Y-E-L-L-E. There was a few Tepper remixes I would play. Damn. What do you know? Speaker A: I'm telling you. Speaker B: What do you fucking know? Speaker A: Look, OGs stay winning. We have to remember that, Jason. We have to remember that this is a victory for us and our whole cohort when you see this kind of stuff happen, even though this guy's name is crazy.

Speaker B: Okay. Tan Guy Destable, come on the pod if you speak good enough English. Okay. I doubt if Looks like he does a lot of movie soundtrack-y kind of stuff. Speaker A: Oh, okay. Speaker B: I'm crazy. Speaker A: Okay. Speaker B: For him. Speaker A: Figured it out. He met Natalie at the— in the— Speaker B: yeah, never mind. He's a pretty good looking guy. Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, Natalie Portman can pull. I mean, there's no question that she's going to pull. She looks amazing. I mean, she's, she's got to be— she's got 2 kids already, 3 kids already, and she's got to be in her mid-50s.

Speaker B: She got 3, 3 babies. Speaker B: yeah, never mind. He's a pretty good looking guy. Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, Natalie Portman can pull. I mean, there's no question that she's going to pull. She looks amazing. I mean, she's, she's got to be— she's got 2 kids already, 3 kids already, and she's got to be in her mid-50s. Speaker B: She got 3, 3 babies. Speaker A: Yeah. She's got to be in her mid-50s. Looks great. I wanted to see if you had seen Busboys yet. Speaker B: Portman, 44.

Don't hate. Speaker A: She's 44? Speaker B: 1981. Speaker A: Oh, wow. I just thought she was older. I just thought she was older because of the kids, I guess. Speaker B: The two kids are with her husband who she divorced a couple years ago. And this is her first child with tan guy, Destable. I really want to say detestable, but what do you know? Speaker A: Destable? Yeah, I need— Speaker B: Bistabag. Speaker A: Yeah, what's up with— have you seen the trailer for Busboys? Speaker B: No. Speaker A: Are you familiar with what Busboys is?

Speaker B: That is the fucking— the movie with Theo Von and David Spade. Speaker A: Theo Von, David Spade, Tim Dillon, Trevor Wallace, Bobby Lee, Jay Pharoah. Speaker B: Jay Pharoah. Speaker A: It's got— it's got— Speaker B: that's an ex-SNL. Because wasn't there a movie? Because remember, like, maybe 6 months ago or something, there was a movie trailer and it was Theo Von and Drewski and it looked like one of the worst things ever. Is this the same thing? But they like turned it into a new movie? Speaker A: This is different, I believe.

Speaker B: Like, that had a churchy angle. Speaker A: Yeah, this is— Speaker B: this is two guys who are busboys. Speaker A: This is— this is— yeah, this is somehow worse, I think, than that. Speaker B: It's playing at the Americana today, two showtimes, the hot zones at 2:30 PM and 5 PM. Speaker A: It's, it's crazy. Speaker B: Like, that had a churchy angle. Speaker A: Yeah, this is— Speaker B: this is two guys who are busboys. Speaker A: This is— this is— yeah, this is somehow worse, I think, than that.

Speaker B: It's playing at the Americana today, two showtimes, the hot zones at 2:30 PM and 5 PM. Speaker A: It's, it's crazy. Speaker B: You really gotta want it. Speaker A: I watched the— I watched the trailer and I was shocked. Speaker B: I was like, this is 62 on Rotten Tomatoes. That's higher than I thought it was going to be. Speaker A: Theo Vaughn does not need to be acting. Like, why are you— what are you doing, man? Speaker B: You— Speaker A: it's fine. Like, you don't have to do this.

Somebody lost money on this. He might have lost money on this time-wise. Speaker B: He— well, I mean, I think he came out— he may have come out of pocket for it. Speaker A: That's even worse. You can't lose time and money. Speaker B: Yeah, the first review, 1 star: I walked out. I really like Theo, but this movie is bad. Um, damn. Speaker A: I hate to see your boy Spade going down like this though. That's what I was really— Speaker B: it's what happens when you, when you get a little older and you start being unsure about your place in the world and where you fit in and if you were cool or not, or if you're cool now and you start, you know, I'm just going to do what the kids want me to do kind of thing, you know, kind of like, you know, Nine Inch Nails making techno music or pairing with the techno DJs to kind of young it up and stay relevant with the kids kind of thing.

Speaker A: I've never seen people lick nuts more than Nine Inch Noise. People are talking to me like that, like they saw the Beatles. Speaker B: I mean, my nuts— sorry, my mouth is going to be all those Nine Inch Nuts tonight. Speaker A: I just— I said this to you guys, Nine Inch Nails, legendary. No, no arguing that. I get it. But, but I just think that we, we are forgetting, like I said, I said to see like the lyrics, I want to fuck you like an animal. Like, does it get cornier than that?

Speaker B: I mean, my nuts— sorry, my mouth is going to be all those Nine Inch Nuts tonight. Speaker A: I just— I said this to you guys, Nine Inch Nails, legendary. No, no arguing that. I get it. But, but I just think that we, we are forgetting, like I said, I said to see like the lyrics, I want to fuck you like an animal. Like, does it get cornier than that? Speaker B: Wait, he says fuck? My mom didn't let me have the dirty— Speaker A: yeah, you didn't. Yeah, wait, hold on.

Speaker B: This whole time, I want to frig you like an animal. Imagine saying that. I'm just a girl. Speaker A: I'm just very surprised at what Nine Inch Nails has become because it was, once again, it was sort of like fake outrage, like alternative radio rock. Like, let's be honest, that's what that was. That's what that song was, 100% what it was. Speaker B: I mean, I know that, I know how your brain works with music and I know what your, your cringe points are, your trigger moments are. I, I have my peeves.

You have your peeves. Speaker A: That song is good as hell. That's not what I'm not saying. The song is bad. All the songs are good. Speaker B: I mean, I, I I remember when that's, you know, being younger when that song came out and I would be like, okay, it's a little much, you know, that song. Like, you know, my mommy's taking me to school and I'm listening to K-Rock and that's what we're listening to right now. It's a little, little mucho. But I don't know, I've spent enough time with, with the Nails to, to be able to just enjoy and watch it and, and revel in the cool electronic power of it or whatever.

Speaker A: But it's just, it's just amazing to me what the revisionist history on all of the music, the radio, like alternative rock of our youth. That, that's all. It continues to surprise and delight. That's, that's what I'll say. Speaker A: But it's just, it's just amazing to me what the revisionist history on all of the music, the radio, like alternative rock of our youth. That, that's all. It continues to surprise and delight. That's, that's what I'll say. Speaker B: I mean, you're the one who likes the Goo Goo Dolls.

Yeah, but the Goo Goo Dolls, they're kind of the subject number one for that discourse. Speaker A: No, but the Goo Goo Dolls aren't cool. No one's talking about them like the way that people talk about Rage Against the Machine or Nine Inch Nails. Like, Goo Goo Dolls is considered corny, but they got hits. It's a very different— like, Goo Goo Dolls was also on pop radio. They were on like top 40 radio. Nine Inch Nails, Nine Inch Nails and Rage Against the Machine is Limp Bizkit and Korn, if you want to— if you really want to look at it.

But people aren't ready for that conversation. Speaker B: And the Chili Peppers. Speaker A: And the— well, the Chili Peppers predate it all to me, kind of. But maybe they don't actually. Speaker B: No, they predate it. But there is a sweet spot. I was thinking about this a couple days ago when there was like— when like the, the first Rage Against the Machine album came out, Blood Sugar Sex Magic came out, and there was like one or two other like seminal records right in that same zone. And it was That was when the vibe ship— maybe it was Metallica, The Black Album.

I don't know. Yeah, I mean, it was cringy and poppy and big, kind of like Sabrina Carpenter last night. Did you watch it with the Illuminati ritual of Madonna? Speaker A: I mean, I'm excited. Do you think this new Madonna is going to be good? I like the COVID art. I like the album. I like what I've seen so far. Speaker B: I think as long as Madonna is not involved in the creation of it, it has a chance of being good. Because she's working with, with the original, you know, one of the, the perfect person who she's worked with before, um, Stuart Price, I believe.

Speaker A: I mean, I'm excited. Do you think this new Madonna is going to be good? I like the COVID art. I like the album. I like what I've seen so far. Speaker B: I think as long as Madonna is not involved in the creation of it, it has a chance of being good. Because she's working with, with the original, you know, one of the, the perfect person who she's worked with before, um, Stuart Price, I believe. Speaker A: But this is the— this is, this is basically the, the version, the second version of the album that is beloved.

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Plus, buy online and pick up at your favorite Rack store for free. Great brands, great prices. That's why you Rack. Ready to soundtrack your summer? With Red Bull Summer All Day Play, you choose a playlist that fits your summer vibe the best. Are you a festival fanatic? A deep-end DJ? A road dog, or a trail mixer. Just add a song to your chosen playlist and put your summer on track. Red Bull Summer All Day Play. Red Bull gives you wings. Visit com/brightsummerahead to learn more. See you this summer. Speaker A: But that— don't you think that might set the bar a little too high?

Speaker B: Well, I think it's because that, that era of Madonna and that style of music being popular now, like the sort of revival. Of that sound being so good, and then her going back and getting this, this guy that linked up originally and, you know, is a legendary electronic producer. It makes sense. But I think that Madonna, her, like, just watching her on stage, you know, she's whatever, 67, 68 or something like that, and the brain inside of that body, you know, things aren't clicking around, you know. She's, she's more similar to like a Joe Biden you know, getting pushed out for a press conference, then, you know, but she can still move around and like she has dexterity.

Speaker A: And how does her— how does her voice— how does her voice sound? Speaker B: Not good. Not good. Well, I mean, she was, she was sort of lip-syncing, but she like, she forgot to like hold the mic up to her mouth a bunch of times, and she would like lift it up to her head like halfway through the, the lyric, you know. Speaker A: What is the— Speaker B: what it was, it was a little rough. Speaker A: They were doing her song though, they weren't doing— Speaker B: they, they did like Vogue and Like a Prayer, and then I think they played Madonna's new song, but— and then Madonna did like a long speech and Sabrina Carpenter just had to like stand there.

And it was— it was— Speaker A: did they kiss? Speaker B: They didn't kiss. That's what I was wondering, because that's sort of the Madonna Illuminati thing. You can tell that Sabrina knew, and she was— she was— it was like Chris Rock and Will Smith, like, you ain't gonna get me this time, motherfucker. Because she did it with, you know, she did it with Britney, the, the first Illuminati kiss, and then Drake at Coachella. Yeah, but Drake sat on his lap and kissed him. Speaker A: But Drake was on stiff, so she had a— she was— no, that was— Speaker B: no, I was, I was there.

I was close to the stage and I saw the look on Drake's face and he was not happy about that microaggression. Speaker A: I don't, I don't think it's— I, I, I think Drake— I mean, I don't think her ass is fat enough for Drake. I will agree with that, even if she was in her BBL phase. But I don't, I don't know, man. I, I think Drake, I don't know, dude. I think Drake's a real dog. I think, I think Drake said, let me get a bone. Speaker B: Look, if it's, if it's a younger Madonna, sure.

Speaker B: Look, if it's, if it's a younger Madonna, sure. Speaker A: Yeah. Maybe he was just surprised. Maybe he was just taken aback and he didn't want to be on Chubb in front of all those people. Speaker B: But also Drake, the Iceman knows what that kiss means. The kiss of death. It's the, you know, he's watched The Godfather. That's the fucking blueprint for his whole career in life, man. Speaker A: That's right. Speaker B: You know what happens when, when the Don, should put the— can't spell Madonna without Don, you know, third eye shit.

The Don comes over, gives you that little kiss on the stage. Speaker A: No one has ever gone through that. Speaker B: When the Don comes sit on your lap and then gives you that smooch, Drake knows exactly what that means. The, the person selling slushies outside, they're like, whoa, that was crazy. They don't know what that means. Drake, he's been in the rooms with the, with the Lior Cohen's. He knows what that kiss means. And he said, oh damn. I got the, I got the, I got the itis in me now.

Speaker A: You're probably right. Speaker B: Yeah, I am probably right. Speaker A: Where is Iceman though? That's the question. I'm still looking for Iceman. And why are people so mad about the chairs at the game? You see the chairs? Speaker B: I think they, they, I don't, yeah, I saw he had the two front row seats that he likes to sit in at, it was, it wasn't the Toronto Raptors stadium. It was like a different team, right? Or was it a WNBA team or a lower? Speaker A: I think it was, I think it was in Toronto.

Speaker B: Okay. Speaker A: Maybe not. Speaker B: I think it was too, but I thought it was, maybe it was like a college or like a minor league or a WNBA team. Like something. Anyway, it doesn't matter. But he, he had sort of like prosthetic plastic clear inserts on top of his prosthetic ice to mimic that his seats are frozen and icy. And then him and his, you know, him and Chubbs can sit on it for the whole game. And, you know, everybody look at me kind of thing. I don't think that people are hating on it.

They're more so just like It kind of looks like, you know, a Tyrannosaurus Rex nutted on your chairs and then you and your friends are going to sit your denim tears, Crumb Hearts ass on there and have your tequila and soda. Speaker A: I see no problem with it. Speaker B: Watch the lady raptors play. Speaker A: I would love to. Speaker B: I see no problem with it either. It's just like it's stupid. But also, I mean, to me, it's procrastinatory behavior. People who have a— you got one big goal that you need to accomplish.

You just got to finish the book. You just got to finish the album. And this shit will do anything but do that. Speaker A: Do you think that maybe— and I, I, you know, obviously, ovio, Chris, I'm gonna be like, we need to check, we need Chapter 17 done, Chris. Speaker B: And he said, I'm gonna learn how to fly fish instead. Speaker A: I'm gonna, I'm gonna give Drizzy a break on this and say, what if they did it as a surprise? What, you know what I mean? What if the team— Speaker B: a surprise glazing of the chair?

Speaker A: Yeah. What if they were like, oh, Iceman's coming, what if we did this to celebrate that? Maybe Drake would like it. Let's, I mean, That's a real— I think that's a real possibility. Speaker B: Yeah. But there's also another possibility that, you know, someone from Drake's team will come over and say, never do this again. Drake does not like— the boy does not ever want to be surprised again. And then, you know, someone gets quietly fired. Speaker A: That's also true. That's also a very, very good option. Speaker B: Yeah.

Do you think people are too afraid to surprise Drake? Like, what do you do for him? You know, other than like get him a prostitute? Like, what are you going to like buy him a watch? He's going to be like, cool, put it with the other ones. Speaker A: You can't buy him anything. He's an experienced guy. You know what I mean? Are we renting out Canada's Wonderland? Speaker B: He's an experienced guy. Speaker A: You know, are we giving him two prostitutes instead of one? Like what is the experience going to be?

Speaker B: It's going to be like, I got this Rihanna sex doll. Speaker B: He's an experienced guy. Speaker A: You know, are we giving him two prostitutes instead of one? Like what is the experience going to be? Speaker B: It's going to be like, I got this Rihanna sex doll. Speaker A: Do you remember when he like, I don't think it was for Rihanna, but remember when he rented out Dodger Stadium for dinner? That's some shit, man. Speaker B: That's some shit. That's the most Drakean thing somebody could ever do.

Speaker A: No, it is. Speaker B: It's the most Canadian black guy thing someone could ever do. Speaker A: Buying, no, buying the Birkins for my future wife shit is crazy. That's really crazy. Speaker B: Wait, what is that exactly? Speaker A: He just bought, he has a collection of Birkins 'cause they're for his future wife and he like talks about it. Speaker B: Oh, oh, he owns, okay. Like setting up a Roth IRA for your grandkids. I'm just gonna keep all these beautiful purses in my closet until I find the right guy.

Woman, and then I'm going to give her all of these bags, and then I'm going to comb her hair and do her makeup. So nice. Speaker A: No, no, don't make it American Girl. Don't American Girl it. Speaker B: I mean, there's a little American Girl. Speaker A: I mean, there's a lot of American Girl. Speaker B: Look, I mean, and guess who that American Girl doll looked like? Looked like Millie Bobby Brown coming down the hallway, doesn't it? Speaker A: That is actually Millie Bobby Brown. That is actually true.

That is actually true. I think Millie— look, if Millie Bobby Brown and her man break up, I think Drake could swoop in, be a stepdad. It'll be fine. Speaker B: Well, there's no— I know, but the damning part of it is like, he's like, Millie Bobby Brown, I'm probably gonna devote most of my time to her when she's 13, and now that she's like a 37-year-old softcore porn model, it's done. The— Speaker A: That is actually Millie Bobby Brown. That is actually true. That is actually true. I think Millie— look, if Millie Bobby Brown and her man break up, I think Drake could swoop in, be a stepdad.

It'll be fine. Speaker B: Well, there's no— I know, but the damning part of it is like, he's like, Millie Bobby Brown, I'm probably gonna devote most of my time to her when she's 13, and now that she's like a 37-year-old softcore porn model, it's done. The— Speaker A: no, she's not. Speaker B: She's— the moat has closed. Speaker A: Yeah, he's maybe less interested. Speaker B: What's Drake's moat? I'm just using founders. Speaker A: He's maybe, he's maybe less interested. He's maybe less interested. Speaker B: No, but I mean, it's weird every time I see a picture of her on the feed and it just looks like softcore porn.

Speaker A: I mean, she looks incredibly old. Like, I don't know how, I'm not really sure what you do to make yourself look like that exactly. Like the choices being made, it's like sort of like, I'm not saying it's not plastic surgery. It's like the way she does her hair and makeup and shit. It's like a, it's like a, it's a choice to look old. Speaker B: Kind of, um, a little Meghan Trainor-y energy. Speaker A: Don't talk about GOAT like that. Don't talk about Meghan. Speaker B: Just people, people that looks like they— like this, the look on their face.

Yeah, like you're, you're ever— you're forever changed after doing some sort— I'm not saying they did a deal with the devil, but they have the, the energy and aura who has had like some sort of massive detrimental transaction, you know, occurring inside of their body. Speaker A: That's, that's— I think with both of those people, that's very possible. I mean, at least Millie Bobby Brown never has to work again. I think Meghan Trainor, yeah, she got 6 kids, you know, she got a husband that don't work. Speaker A: That's, that's— I think with both of those people, that's very possible.

I mean, at least Millie Bobby Brown never has to work again. I think Meghan Trainor, yeah, she got 6 kids, you know, she got a husband that don't work. Speaker B: That trainer ain't cheap either. But she, I mean, she looks, she looks loco, man. She looks like a 47-year-old child. Speaker A: I think that, yeah, it's, it's JonBenét vibes. Speaker B: Absolutely. Speaker A: That's, that's, that's 100% what it is. Did you see the video of Ice Spice getting duffed out at the McDonald's in Hollywood? Speaker B: I did see that.

I did see that. Speaker A: What do you think was going on there? Because, because this girl walked in and they talked for, See, when I saw Sneako get duffed out, that was sick because a guy just walked by him and fucking punched him in the face. Didn't say anything. Didn't— that is the way— if you're going to do that, you got to do it like that. Don't talk. Don't talk. That's not a waste of time. If you're really about it. Speaker B: Duff 101. We got 50 Cent over here.

Duff 101. I'll tell you all the ways. Speaker A: Yeah, but I think that Ice Spice in a hoodie in a McDonald's with no security. Ice Spice is pretty famous, right? I don't really have a gauge. Speaker B: I'm surprised that she could get touched like that. Yeah. Speaker A: I'm surprised she could touch like that. But what do you think Ice Spice is doing to get touched? That's my real question. Speaker B: Okay. Well, this seems like, because there are the, you know, there's the guy who punched Sneako, like you said, or, you know, Luigi who shoots the CEO without saying, hey buddy, fuck you for ruining my shit.

You know, just shoot him, just punch him, whatever. Just shoot me. I think these are the psychosis of the superfan, the Selena, the— you remember Rihanna, or was it Rihanna's house that got shot up? Yeah, yeah, like 2 weeks ago. And it was like, oh, this is— it got shot up by somebody who believes in their mind that Rihanna is like sending her messages to kill herself. You know, it's just like crazy schizophrenic people. So this person probably has like a parasocial relationship with Ice Spice and saw her at McDonald's, caught her lacking, and she said, You've been visiting my dreams for the last 7 years, Ice Spice, and now I'm going to hit you and throw a fucking Sprite at you.

Speaker A: It looked a little bit like that, but it looked— the reason I'm saying this, I think it was a personal— Speaker B: it was personal beef. Speaker A: I think somebody could have fucked somebody's man. I think it looked a little— to me, to me, I have no— I have no— obviously I'm seeing this just like you. I don't have any audio. My sources haven't sent me the tapes yet. It looks like It looks a little more like, all right, bitch, I found you. You know what I mean?

It could be something pre-fame, Jason. Who knows? This could be something dating back years before Ice Spice was Ice Spice. Speaker B: Yeah, I guess if you're as famous as Ice Spice, what are you doing eating inside of a fast food restaurant in Hollywood? Freaks everywhere. Scum of the earth walking the streets. Don't eat. I mean, who eats inside of a McDonald's period anywhere in 2026? Oh, okay. Speaker A: Well, I think that a lot of people like the full experience, Jason. I think you want to— some of us don't.

Speaker B: No. Go to any McDonald's. It's drive-through only. It's like 1% of the population eats inside McDonald's. It's old people and homeless people. Speaker A: No shade. Well, the most disgusting thing you can do is eat in your car. But the problem is the McDonald's is going to smell up the car before you get home. So you're fucking your car up no matter what. Speaker B: Yeah. And you go and you want to eat some of those fries in the car on the way home, but then you open the bag and smell it.

Speaker A: What I'm saying is the only scent-free option is eating in. In, which I agree is twisted. Well, I agree. Speaker B: This is my option. You are able to eat inside of a McDonald's if you are, you know, a world-famous millionaire celebrity. It can't just be at the one on Sunset and Highland. Yeah, you know, it has— you have to be in Calabasas, you have to be in Malibu, you have to be— Speaker A: I would say, I would say you have to be doing a cross-country road trip outside of Indianapolis is what I would say is that he's even more— Speaker B: he's even more You can't be in the epicenter where, where all the shit's going down.

Speaker A: But they went outside and kept it going. Ice Spice was whipping her ass a little bit. So that's what makes me think it's a little, it's a little more, it's deeper than rap. Speaker B: Okay, well, here's another, another idea. There was a video like a year or so ago of— I forgot who it was, but it was like a rapper getting— trying to get jacked or steal his car, jewelry in the parking lot. And then he ended up, you know, pulling out some guns with his friends and, you know, shooting at him and scaring him away.

And they released like the security footage later, and then they found out that it was all staged as a way to make him look more cool and gangster, like he's filming a movie, to, uh, you know, up, up the street rep. So maybe Ice Spice did this. Maybe her friend who came in and fought her, she was a, she was a hired actor. Speaker A: All right, well, okay, so do you want me Do you want me to Venmo the guy that we are hiring to def you out at Coachella, or do you want me to not?

Now that Ice kind of stole your thunder, you want to— we'll wait till next year. Speaker B: Well, if we are going to orchestrate this so I could demonstrate my gangsta, you have to let me know ahead of time because otherwise I'll just get beat up by a guy. You know what I mean? I got to know. Speaker A: Okay. So you're saying you have to be in on it or it won't work is what you're saying. I can't surprise you. Speaker B: The sucker punch will work. And then not much will happen.

Speaker A: Okay. So you're saying you have to be in on it or it won't work is what you're saying. I can't surprise you. Speaker B: The sucker punch will work. And then not much will happen. Speaker A: This sucker punch will absolutely do what it's supposed to do. Speaker B: I'm supposed to know that he's sucker punching me. I spin around, I catch it, you know. Speaker A: Okay. Okay. Speaker B: Elbow to the, to the throat. Elbow to the Adam's apple. Speaker A: Jackie Jeans mode. You're going fucking, you're going crazy on them.

Speaker B: No, it's, I mean, I'm, I don't, I'm not like going like karate. It's more like a Krav Maga. I'm going to go down, knee on the back, you know, until Krafft McGraw. I got— well, I'm bringing my cargo shorts, so a couple zip ties in there in case I need to, you know. Speaker A: Oh, I— dude, I look— I don't go anywhere without my zip ties. I totally get it. Speaker B: Dude, what if How Long Gone made green and blue zip ties? Speaker A: If you don't go around with zip ties, I mean, because a gun's too much, mace is for women, zip ties, that's all we got.

Speaker B: Yeah, no, I got— it is unfortunately, it is giving ICE a little too much. Speaker A: Definitely. Speaker B: Um, yeah, but at Coachella, I mean, I wonder how long until there's some right-wing leaning brands that make— Speaker A: I don't want to vilify zip ties. Zip ties can be used for good and bad, like all things in the world, you know. It is true. It is unfortunate. Speaker B: I was using it as a mobile temporary handcuff situation in this reference, unfortunately. That is reckless in this environment, which we can use, you know, the good guys can use zip ties too.

Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, good guys. Speaker B: But I mean, how cute, a blue one on the left wrist and a green zip on the right wrist. Speaker A: I'll just wear them. I'll just, I'll just do it. Speaker B: What's your, what's your stack? What's your handcuff stack? Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, good guys. Speaker B: But I mean, how cute, a blue one on the left wrist and a green zip on the right wrist. Speaker A: I'll just wear them. I'll just, I'll just do it. Speaker B: What's your, what's your stack?

What's your handcuff stack? Speaker A: What if I wore— what if it was just sort of like accessories, you know? Like, that's— it could be— you could look at it that way. What's your— what's your zip tie stack? Speaker B: Um, yeah, when I was— when I was watching Coachella yesterday, also the, uh, the Turnstile show, it was interesting to see, you know, just how big they are and, you know, how to see the crowd, you know, wearing like Speed t-shirts with, you know, football jerseys and tough-looking guys. Then they're doing like the heart hands into the camera if the camera goes on them.

It's like, dude, take me— Speaker A: take me back to fucking Mornay again. In drag body and I can't with this shit, dude. Like, I like, I just like imagine being at Hellfest '99 and somebody giving fucking heart hands, you know, while Turmoil's on stage. We just— there's just like, I know. Speaker B: And it makes me feel, you know, old guy shouting at the, at the clouds, kind of, because, you know, when you watch Like every band is everything now. Like when you watch the XX, they are a slow crying ballad band.

They are also a Jamie XX remix dance party. They're also a reggae Young Thug song. And when you want, you know, all these, everyone has all of their everything. And now when you watch Turnstile do a hardcore show, there's all these synths and electronic moments and they have like a dance party moment in the middle of the set. Speaker A: And really. Speaker B: Yeah. And they have all these visuals of kids talking about, you know, how awesome hardcore is. The difference, like what we have to do on stage at these big things is not just play your songs unless you are appealing to an older audience only.

Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaker B: You got it. Like Oasis can get away with it. I mean, but even Oasis has insane fucking AI visuals going on. But I mean, it's rare. Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, people— well, because people got to have something to look at the band in enough. You know, a bunch of guys in cool clothes jumping around is not— I just— speed sucks though, right? Speaker B: I don't really listen to them, but it's— I don't think it's for me. They have the flute. Speaker A: It's very popular.

Speaker B: Very popular. Speaker A: Oh, it's the flute band. Speaker B: Yeah. Speaker A: No, I'm all set. I've seen that. Speaker B: I'm also a little— it's a little hot. I'm sure they're nice guys and mutual friends. It's a little, a little Hot Topic-y for me. Speaker A: Oh, I see. But it's popular. It's very popular. Speaker B: Very popular. Very popular. Well, you got— Speaker A: look, if you— that's the thing. If you're going to, if you're going to cross over, whether that's your goal or not, that.

There's, there's things that have to be in play to allow that. And, you know, being like 45-year-old fucking union plumbers in Carhartt and Dickies ain't gonna do it these days. Speaker B: It ain't. And, but it was cool to see a, a real hardcore band play at Coachella, you know, whatever, proud hardcore kid moment. But you, you cannot play a hardcore show at a, at a venue where the crowd is so far away from the stage. They're playing on like maybe like the second biggest stage or something like that. So, you know, it's like 50 feet away from— Speaker A: there's no headwalking.

Speaker B: Anyone— there's nothing. There's nothing. And if you can't head— I feel— Speaker A: there's no headwalking. Speaker B: Anyone— there's nothing. There's nothing. And if you can't head— I feel— Speaker A: you can't headwalk. I mean, kind of what's the point? I don't mean to— Speaker B: no headwalk, no stage dive. And then, you know, because the band also kind of just has to stand there, you know, they're interacting with the crowd literally and physically. Is— if you don't do that, then a hardcore show, it is not. Speaker A: Yeah, that's— Speaker B: so if people are saying, is Turnstile a hardcore band?

I believe they are. But as soon as you start playing shows where the crowd can't touch you and you can't touch the crowd, then it's not hardcore anymore. Speaker A: I mean, that's every festival, I'm sure. But yeah, what are you— what are you gonna do? Speaker B: Not hardcore festivals. Speaker A: Well, yeah, those— yeah, you lose money on those though. And there's like two. Speaker B: Not anymore. Speaker A: No, I think that one in— that one in England, I bet, is the biggest one. I bet the rest of them to just do okay.

What's the one? What's the— you know what I'm talking about? The one that's in like Manchester? Speaker B: Yeah, Outbreak. It's not about the money, bro. Speaker A: Well, I think it's kind of about the money. I mean, I think that— Speaker B: I mean, to me it's about loyalty and brotherhood, you fucking pussy. Speaker A: Look, I— look, I'm with you, bro. I'm not the one getting an offer to play Outbreak, but if they call, we'll do it. Obviously, you know, obviously we would do it. I had a very weird night last night.

Wow. Speaker B: Okay. In the 11th hour. Talk to me about it. Speaker A: I went to see Jeremy's movie because he— I had nothing. I got home from the Hanover pop-up and I was sort of like, what's that movie called again? I'm not— I can't say it. Uh, and I didn't— I didn't have anything. I was like, oh, I don't have plans. And it's like 6:30 and he texted us and I was like, you know what, fuck it, I'm just gonna go. I didn't know where New Art was. I'd never been to West— I'd never been to West LA in my entire life.

I did not know where I was. Like, I did not— Speaker B: it was— Speaker A: it wasn't that far of a drive, but I was like, I've never been here. I don't know what's going on. And parking was very difficult. And I get, I get there, you know, I walk up and there's all these fucking autograph freaks for Olivia Wilde because she's like co-hosting the, the, the talk. And Jeremy and I are outside like talking, and you see an SUV, like a black, you know, Suburban pull up and it stops in front.

And then I think she clearly sees all these autograph guys and they go around so that the SUV continues around the corner. I'm sure there's a back door at Newhart or whatever. And these fucking guys, they take off like it's the Olympic trials. Like guys that should not be running. Guys that haven't run in years are holding— Speaker B: Running like gout gout. Speaker A: They're gout gout running with a giant Booksmart poster to get signed by Olivia Wilde. It was just such a crazy, it was just such an insane scene.

Thing to see, you know. I was just like, so it really, it really was just such a wild— Speaker B: to risk a cardiac arrest to make, you know, $48 on this eBay poster sale. Yeah, it was, it was just something to a guy who's gonna like jack off to the signature or something like that. Speaker A: But then, so then I, you know, I watched the movie. I did like the movie. And did Nargis do the music? I don't know, I think she might have done the music. Speaker B: Anyway, shout out if you did.

Speaker A: I watched the movie, I like it. I say, I say goodbye to Jeremy, and then I'm like, oh, now it's, you know, it's 9 o'clock 10 after 9. There's nowhere to eat, you know, it's LA, everything's closed. So I'm like, all right, fuck it, I'm gonna Google the closest Erewhon. I'll just go there, that's a safe bet, you know. I go to a— the Erewhon in Santa Monica was the closest. Speaker B: Anyway, shout out if you did. Speaker A: I watched the movie, I like it. I say, I say goodbye to Jeremy, and then I'm like, oh, now it's, you know, it's 9 o'clock 10 after 9.

There's nowhere to eat, you know, it's LA, everything's closed. So I'm like, all right, fuck it, I'm gonna Google the closest Erewhon. I'll just go there, that's a safe bet, you know. I go to a— the Erewhon in Santa Monica was the closest. Speaker B: And wow, you— so you went even further, you, you hit Santa Monies. Speaker A: Well, because it was— Erewhon's gonna close at 10, so what's the better, you know, the better bet was to drive 8 minutes versus whatever, 20 minutes. And then I went to the Santa Monica Erewhon, which, you know, you get there at 9:15, they're fucking You know, they're, they're bleaching the floors and there's one piece of buffalo cauliflower left.

So I had to, I had to cobble together an Erewhon jail meal of, of what they had left, you know, under the lamps. It was just a very bizarre, it was a very strange, strange times in Santa Monica. It was a strange night for me. Overall positive, but cuz I needed, I, I'm gonna have to socialize so much today that I, I needed that. But it was just a funny, it was a funny night. Speaker B: How's the Santa Monica Juan talent looking? Speaker A: There was no talent to be seen.

It was, it was Friday night at 9:10. If there's talent there, they're not talent. You know what I mean? No shade to Santa Monica. I just, I just feel like it's not, that's not the location for that. Speaker B: I'm with you. Speaker A: That's not the location. Speaker B: So you liked, you did like the movie though. Speaker A: I did like the movie. It's part, it's, you know, it did make me want to go to Warsaw. It really did. Speaker B: You've never been, right? Speaker A: No. And I've wanted to go before.

And I, but I've, I just, it does look like it looks relatively charming. Um, and— or I'm— at least in the movie, which I'm sure was the goal. Speaker B: So you liked, you did like the movie though. Speaker A: I did like the movie. It's part, it's, you know, it did make me want to go to Warsaw. It really did. Speaker B: You've never been, right? Speaker A: No. And I've wanted to go before. And I, but I've, I just, it does look like it looks relatively charming. Um, and— or I'm— at least in the movie, which I'm sure was the goal.

Speaker B: Said no one ever, right? No, it does look very charming. Speaker A: It looks charming. Yeah, I don't, I don't, um— but yeah, I did like it. And it was— Speaker B: Polish sounds like a tough lingo to learn. Speaker A: Very tough. Yeah, I know, those— I know the— there's like a clip of Charlie speaking Polish that people are really liking. It's like a— I thought it was— I could learn a phrase or two if somebody's paying me, bro. Speaker B: You can't even learn one word. Also, speaking of Coachella, lastly Um, my girl Tinashe is getting flamed for doing a fake DJ set, bro.

Speaker A: Who cares? Tinashe look good. That's what it's about. Speaker B: I know, I agree. Speaker A: Like, stop, dude. We don't— we don't need Tinashe to be up there like John Summit. Like, who cares? Speaker B: Yeah, it's kind of the standard now. Speaker A: What are the receipts though? Like, they've heard it before somewhere, or they just have video of her not touching anything? Speaker B: Yeah, it's usually just video of somebody on stage and they're like just hitting a bunch of buttons and turning a bunch of knobs, but but nothing's actually happening.

Speaker A: Well, most DJs are jumping around, pushing a bunch of knobs, and I, I can't tell if it's real or not. It's true. Speaker B: Yeah, it doesn't really matter, especially when you're on a big old stage. And, you know, does she do that? Speaker A: Does she do this a lot though? Speaker B: I think it's a new thing. I think it's a new thing. Speaker A: Well, that makes a little more sense then. Speaker B: People— she can do whatever she wants though. I ain't mad. Speaker A: I agree.

Um, How Long Gone, thank you for listening. Have a wonderful weekend. com is the website. We'll be back next week. With more podcasts, and we appreciate you listening. Speaker B: Yeah, it doesn't really matter, especially when you're on a big old stage. And, you know, does she do that? Speaker A: Does she do this a lot though? Speaker B: I think it's a new thing. I think it's a new thing. Speaker A: Well, that makes a little more sense then. Speaker B: People— she can do whatever she wants though. I ain't mad.

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